Don’t wait for a child to die, city urged
The school councils at both Selkirk Elementary School and F.H. Collins Secondary School are calling for a 30 kilometre per hour (km/h) speed limit along both sides of Lewes Boulevard.
By Stephanie Waddell on January 6, 2016
The school councils at both Selkirk Elementary School and F.H. Collins Secondary School are calling for a 30 kilometre per hour (km/h) speed limit along both sides of Lewes Boulevard.
Janet Clarke and Liza Mannen, co-chairs of the F.H. Collins and Selkirk school councils respectively, presented council with the request Monday evening.
Currently, the side of Lewes Boulevard directly adjacent to the schools is a school zone.
It has a maximum speed limit outlined in the territory’s Motor Vehicles Act of 30 km/h between 8 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. when school is in.
The other side of the boulevard has a 50 km/h speed limit at all times.
The differing speed limits creates significant safety concerns, the two school council chairs told the city.
They cited “near misses” students have had with vehicles as they cross the road to get to school.
It doesn’t help that visibility is reduced because of the trees in the median, the two speakers pointed out, urging the city to trim the vegetation.
As Mannen argued, the city should not be waiting until a child dies or is seriously hurt crossing the road to do something about the issue.
Clarke pointed out that it was in September 2014 that the F.H. Collins school council first raised the issue.
Last fall, as the issues continued to come up, another letter from both schools was sent, with nothing yet appearing to be done on the matter.
“The issues were still there,” Clarke said.
The new F.H. Collins school, which opened this week, is closer to the traffic lights at Lewes Boulevard and Hospital Road, providing a safer crossing option for students, she noted.
However, there are still a number of students who will likely use the crosswalk further down Lewes Boulevard where the safety concerns continue.
Mannen was also quick to note that other schools in the city have the 30 km/h school zone on both sides of the street the schools are on.
In the case of Elijah Smith Elementary School, for example, the zone applies to both sides of Hamilton Boulevard – even with the school grounds further off the roadway and a median dividing the road.
“I don’t see where the difference is,” she said.
The two school council co-chairs were reassured they weren’t alone in their concerns, with Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu sharing her own experiences driving in the area.
In some cases, drivers aren’t even pulling over to drop students off, but rather coming to an abrupt stop in the middle of the road. Students then get out of the vehicle to cross the road.
Mayor Dan Curtis also expressed concerns, saying: “We take it very, very seriously.” He also wondered whether it would be under the city’s jurisdiction, however.
City manager Christine Smith said she would get back to council with an answer on whose jurisdiction the issue falls under.
Similarly, Coun. Samson Hartland asked whether the school councils have contacted the RCMP or Yukon government on the matter.
Clarke noted the 2014 letter to the city had come from the office of the territory’s then-deputy minister of education.
The city establishes speed limits around town through its traffic bylaw.
Regulations around school zones – including the 30 km/h speed limit between 8 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. in municipalities and 40 km/h during the same hours outside municipalities – fall under the territory’s Motor Vehicles Act.
Smith explained in an interview this morning that after looking into the matter, it was found the initial correspondences on the matter from the school councils had been directed at the Department of Education.
She noted the concerns brought up at Monday’s meeting will be referred to the city’s traffic committee, comprised of staff from various departments.
The city may look at establishing a slower speed limit on the road and dealing with the visibility issues from vegetation in the median.
An extension of the school zone would fall under the jurisdiction of the Yukon government, while enforcement of any speed limit falls under the jurisdiction of the RCMP.
Coun. Rob Fendrick was absent from Monday’s meeting.
Comments (27)
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Mark on Jan 13, 2016 at 7:00 am
There is a median separating directions of traffic therefore it is unnecessary to reduce speed. The congestion is bad half because parents feel the need to drive their kids to school. Remember when parents raised kids instead of spoiled little brats? If you can't walk to school, you are going to be a real threat for society to have to deal with later in life. School buses should only be used for out of town students. If you live in town, walk to school. If you prefer a different school for your kid, it should be your responsibility to see that they find and get to school of your choice....not the taxpayer. Need daycare? Put more daycares in other areas of town, or better yet, raise your kid yourself and put your precious career on hold until you get your 1.5 kid status completed. Who's worse, useless minded kids who are not taught about traffic? Or overprotective rookie parents? I think the later choice is more accurate .
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Should have voted Mandeep on Jan 12, 2016 at 1:56 pm
He would have installed a bridge to lessen congestion in accordance with the OCP. He would have put an underground tunnel and remove the roundabout at Elijah Smith
He would have followed the suggestions of the Chief Coroner and installed overhead lighting for pedestrian crosswalks on 4th ave
He would have reduced the speed limit in all residential and school areas to 30km/h
--- This mayor doesn't want to think or circumvent steps.
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Bud McGee on Jan 11, 2016 at 1:23 pm
@Jonathon Colby - Thanks for seeing the point of my earlier post. It is really amazing to see the progression of mass-media and consequently mass-hysteria in our society. It first happened with 24 hour cable news, and then it went into hyper drive with social media available anytime and anywhere on our smartphones. We have a generation of helicopter parents that want to bubble-wrap their kids and a generation of kids that all act entitled, because mommy and daddy told them they were "special" all their lives. I don't know if there is anything we can do. Sadly, it is where society is headed and our elected leaders are not leading. They are following the mob. Now, under the guise of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission Report recommendations, the Federal Government will strip parents of their right to discipline their children in the manner they see fit. So, things will get worse before they get better.
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Politico on Jan 10, 2016 at 5:20 pm
What is the big deal. Err on the side of safety and lower the speed limit. It's certainly not going to make any tangible difference in the transit time passed the school. As for people not using the crosswalks, it's not illegal to cross anywhere on that road. Kids have forever refused to use marked crosswalks. That's what they made brakes for. Deal with it.
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pay attention if you value your life on Jan 8, 2016 at 9:10 am
Changing the speed limits will do nothing unless there is someone there to enforce it. People have sped through school zones for years, so I don't know how this will make a difference.
How about drivers take it upon themselves to SLOW DOWN, look and GET OFF THEIR CELL PHONES.
And pedestrians for that matter can also do the same. I was always taught to not cross a road until a car stopped completely...it's my life, after all, and I value it.
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Jonathan Colby on Jan 7, 2016 at 7:41 pm
Bud McGee, I think you found the head of the nail.
I remember after the Sandy Hook incident, I received a note from my son's elementary school, saying that from now on, all the doors but one were to be secured outside of recess hours. This was due to a decision by the school's council, and was explicit in naming the (presumably saturated) media coverage as a reason. The whole affair was preposterous, as are the lockdown drills I hear are present. People, in general, are notoriously poor at risk assessment. This is still Whitehorse! Crimes of opportunity have always plagued us, as has the drug trade. But this is still Whitehorse, where you are still probably ok leaving your front door unlocked, and probably your truck, too. Probably. We are trying to bubble wrap the whole world, but what we end up saying is, overreaction to fear is a reasonable course of action, and that violent madness is to be treated as an inevitability, like fire or an earthquake. But, no matter what we do, that "probably" will never disappear. Why create stress where none should exist? Why teach our kids to fear demons that they'll almost certainly never encounter? I have no answers. You?
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BDerlago on Jan 7, 2016 at 6:11 pm
@Darlene: Not in GP, the zones are in effect for the duration posted. I like what they do with the signs though. There is no end of school zone sign. The school zone ends when the speed zone sign changes it back to 50km. You save a lot of signs.
@Mr. Moose why would we all of a sudden be going to the morgue? Hasn't happened since '59' that I know of.
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Michelle on Jan 7, 2016 at 3:30 pm
I do not mind having school zones but do they really have to go to 4:30 pm. Schools are out at around 3 pm. School buses are finished picking up kids at 3:30 and from my experience, all other elementary school children have to be picked up by then or if they walk home, they must be off the premises by then. So why do we still have to drive 30 km until 4:30. High school students should be old enough to responsibly cross the street. If not, their parents should drop them off and pick them up.
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ABC on Jan 7, 2016 at 3:25 pm
Speeding may be an issue but what the problem really is the terrible drivers we have in our city. More bylaw presence could be implemented and maybe a crossing guard would help too.
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Andy on Jan 7, 2016 at 3:15 pm
With the traffic congestion in Riverdale you would be lucky to be doin' 10 kph
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Anon on Jan 7, 2016 at 2:41 pm
Please! Think of the children!
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No more flow. on Jan 7, 2016 at 1:18 pm
Am I the only one concerned about what that wil do to morning traffic leaving Riverdale? ...... Aye ye ye I can only imagine.... WAIT. Let's just put In a round-about! Right? That fixes all our traffic problems here in Whitehorse. Plus it "slows" you down to 30. Oh, problem solved!
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Stu Whatman on Jan 7, 2016 at 11:35 am
"Mannen was also quick to note that other schools in the city have the 30 km/h school zone on both sides of the street the schools are on."
What is the issue here? Post these areas at 30 km/hour and do a little enforcement also known as ensuring compliance. End of story.
And yes, Mr. Mayor it's unsafe to cross 2nd and 4th because there apparently has been no enforcement to discourage people from speeding. And yes, there have been fatalities on those streets which warrants the enforcement.
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Jonathan Colby on Jan 7, 2016 at 8:29 am
If students used the crosswalks, there would be no "near misses." Just another example of shifting responsibility away from young persons and onto parents or government. During the heaviest use times (drop off and pick up), traffic on both sides is usually at a near standstill as it is.
I am not saying that the speed limit shouldn't be 30kph through that area. It should be, and should have always been. I am simply tired of school councils crying like Mrs. Lovejoy, " Won't someone please think of the children?"
Why doesn't someone teach the children to think?
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Guncache on Jan 7, 2016 at 7:58 am
The speed limit should be 50 kmh on both sides. I have been in some progressive cities where you have to slow down in a school zone if a light is flashing. The light is activated by the students pushing a button for the light and then they cross the road. These are cities where there are 100's of thousands in population and it works for them. Surely it can work in our " huge " metropolis.
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BnR on Jan 7, 2016 at 6:54 am
Oh yeah, make students use the crosswalks, because crosswalks are soooooo safe for pedestrians in YXY. LOL! The crosswalks in our fair city just make for a better target. What they need to do is make using a cell phone while driving the same as impaired driving. That'll make drivers pay attention.
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slow it down on Jan 6, 2016 at 11:40 pm
Slow it to 30. Makes it safer for kids crossing and traffic. That is one crazy congested area.
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Moose Dr. on Jan 6, 2016 at 10:17 pm
This is a silly situation. The speed limit on one side of the median is different than on the other. What are the children doing, walking half way across the road?
BDerlago, "This is ridiculous. I've never heard of anyone being hit along this stretch." Um, only one is ten thousand times too many! We don't need to find out that this is stupid by going to the morgue.
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Well.... on Jan 6, 2016 at 9:41 pm
The only reason my daughter wasn't hit is due to the fact that she watches the drivers as she uses the crosswalk. She (and another student) managed to jump out of the way when a driver failed to stop. No, she didn't just march out into the crosswalk either. This vehicle was distant when she began to cross.
As a driver, I've also found the vegetation to be a nuisance near the crosswalk when looking for crossers and cars. The bushes and trees just need some trimming in the summer.
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Darlene on Jan 6, 2016 at 8:31 pm
I always wondered why other provinces/territories don't follow how Alberta does it. Have 30 km rule for one hour before school starts and one hour after school ends. The rest of the day is normal speed and no stopping along the road
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Andy Odel on Jan 6, 2016 at 7:58 pm
I've lived in Riverdale for over 40 years and the speed limit in this area has never changed, and I don't remember any time when anyone has been hit by a vehicle in this area. As for the ugly weeded area the city has set up here, it has no effect on the driving in the area. It sounds like we have another 2 goodie goods who are trying to change things to there way of thinking.
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Max Mack on Jan 6, 2016 at 7:39 pm
Combined with the already-implemented and (massively) significant change in the northern-most extent of the school zone (it has been moved almost to the bridge) in the south-bound lane, any change to traffic speed on the north-bound lane will drag traffic for almost a km on both sides.
I appreciate concerns for child safety. However, most students walking to Selkirk or FH cross at the lights at the corner of Alsek and Lewes. Some students (largely high school students) take the municipal bus and must cross Lewes at the former entry to FH. Need I point out that these are high school students, crossing at a marked cross-walk?
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yukoner on Jan 6, 2016 at 6:02 pm
It is already hard enough to get out of Riverdale as it is!!! Maybe the school should have a cross walk guard just like Elijah Smith School.
People coming down from Copper Ridge, Granger area drive like maniacs coming down Hamilton Blvd. and thank goodness no kids have been hit crossing there.
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Mafdet on Jan 6, 2016 at 5:44 pm
You both miss the point. I experience horrendous driving behaviour almost every day on that stretch of road picking my daughter up from school. I support the proposal that the 30 km speed limit should be applicable to both sides of the road. There should not be any problem with keeping children safe. By the way there are drivers still not abiding by the extended 30 km speed limit. I am aware of children being run over in the cross walks at the school because driving fast is some people's only thrill. Why are people always in a hurry in this small town of ours?
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Bud McGee on Jan 6, 2016 at 4:53 pm
These school council members want to make their mark by demonstrating that they took action on an issue that resulted in change. However, what they are addressing is a PERCEIVED issue and not an actual issue. They do not back up their claims with accident statistics, engineering assessments, and guidelines on school zone safety from other jurisdictions. Guidelines on the subject indicate that school zones are recommended for elementary level schools and for roads with direct access to the schools. City Council cannot make decisions based on emotional appeals that lack supporting evidence from grand-standing citizens that have no background in what they are talking about. Council should make informed decisions based on many different and expert viewpoints, and based on the thorough consideration of the benefits versus the costs. Due to the slow traffic during the morning commute, I doubt anybody is even able to drive at the speed limit during the key time of day when this may be an issue. Also, F.H. Collins has dedicated student drop-off spots and a signaled intersection now. So what is the issue here really?
The school councils' argument could be applied to the entire city. I mean why stop at the other side of Lewes Boulevard? Why not apply a 30 km/hr speed limit to the entire city, because it might save a life? Do we have to wait for a person to die before we enact a 30 km/hr speed limit for the entire city??? Hmmmm? Hmmmm?
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Alice on Jan 6, 2016 at 4:41 pm
I think the problem is that the FH students are not using marked crosswalks. The students need to have some accountability for their decisions. They should be told and taught the possible consequences of not using a cross walk. Maybe there should be some jay walking tickets issued to ensure the kids safety, and accountability of using or not using crosswalks. I am a born and raised Yukoner here and the only thing that I can think of that makes sense of these concerns, is those who do not use a cross walk.
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BDerlago on Jan 6, 2016 at 3:05 pm
This is ridiculous. I've never heard of anyone being hit along this stretch. The city had a hell of a time trying to get anything to grow along the boulevard and now some action people have given themselves a cause to limit traffic for the sake of 30 minutes/day when students are crossing. If they are so concerned I would get some of those F.A. teachers out there with signs during periods of concern.