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MAIDEN ARRIVAL – The first delivery of liquefied natural gas to the new $43-million generating plant was made in late May. Inset John Maissan, left, Andrew Hall

YEC’s revelation surprises, disappoints observers

Yukon Energy will not use the new $43-million LNG plant to restore power during short-term outages, says the corporation’s president.

By Chuck Tobin on July 15, 2015

Yukon Energy will not use the new $43-million LNG plant to restore power during short-term outages, says the corporation’s president.

Andrew Hall said this morning the back-up diesel generators will still be used to restore outages in Whitehorse. They are better suited and quicker to respond to those situations than the new natural gas generators, he said.

“What LNG does not do very well is that restoration, where you have to pick up load very quickly,” said Hall, who was appointed to succeed David Morrison as president of Yukon Energy after the project was under construction.

He said for the foreseeable future – over the next several years – Yukon Energy will continue to rely on its diesels for restoration during outages.

If there was a prolonged issue with hydro generation such as the situation last year when hydro generation was shut down for three days because of frazzle ice at the Whitehorse Rapids Dam, the natural gas units would be used, he said.

Hall said the primary use of the new plant will be related to peak demand in the winter months and in years of low water when the system just doesn’t have enough water to meet the demand with hydro generation, and thermal generation is required.

The president of the corporation acknowledged Yukon Energy’s use of the term “emergency back-up” to describe how the natural gas generators would be used may have been a little too simplistic.

Perhaps there should have been a distinction between emergency back-up and restoration, he suggested.

In a press release last Wednesday, Yukon Energy announced the new LNG facility was in service and ready for use.

“Like our diesel units, the natural gas facility will only be used for emergency back-up or for peaking power in the cold winter months,” says the press release.

When an outage occurred the very next day, the diesels were used to restore power.

Two Whitehorse residents intimately involved in Yukon Energy’s application to replace two old diesels with natural gas units, and intimately involved with the public hearings that followed, said today there was never any such distinction made.

Neither the Yukon Utilities Board nor the Yukon Environmental and Socio-economic Assessment Board were told the new LNG plant would not be used for restoration, said John Maissan and Sally Wright.

Wright said in light of the revelation by Hall this morning, it’s become clear that Yukon Energy was not upfront with the Yukon Utilities Board.

The utilities board and the assessment board were told the new natural gas generators were required to provide reliable, emergency back-up generation, Wright said.

She said there was never any distinction between emergency back-up and restoration.

Maissan said there was no distinction made in the application, and there was no distinction made during the public hearings.

“This is new to me,” said Maissan, a professional engineer who was granted official intervener status to participate directly in the application process and public hearings alongside the Yukon Conservation Society.

“That word (restoration) was never mentioned,” said Wright, a local energy critic and lobbyist for more reliance on renewable energy, particularly wind generation.

Maissan said perhaps Yukon Energy wasn’t aware at the time of the application that natural gas units were not well-suited for quick startups.

“It is disappointing, I have to say that,” he said.

Maissan said today’s news suggests there should be another public review before Yukon Energy replaces a third old diesel with a natural gas unit, which has already been approved by the utilities board.

The new LNG facility is currently fitted with the two new gas generators, but was designed to accommodate three, the third expected as early as 2017.

Maissan acknowledged he was always in favour of replacing the old diesels with new, more efficient diesels, as the cost would be less compared to natural gas units.

Yukon Energy argued natural gas was the answer for emergency back-up and peak demand in the winter because it was much less expensive in the long run, he said.

Maissan said Yukon Energy said the difference in capital cost would be $9 million more for the natural gas units.

With the cost overrun of the new facility, however, the difference is up to $17 million and the corporation isn’t even using them for short-term outages, he said.

Yukon Energy’s decision to go with liquefied natural gas set off a firestorm in the territory.

The Crown corporation insisted Yukoners would save millions in fuel costs, savings which would cover off the difference between new diesels and new natural gas units in five years.

Burning natural gas instead of diesel would also be better for the environment, Yukon Energy argued.

The scores of Yukoners who voiced their strong opposition to natural gas argued the emerging science is showing that natural gas is harder on the environment because of the inevitable leaking of methane gas in the extraction process.

Methane gas, they said, is much more harmful as a greenhouse gas than emissions from burning diesel.

Scores of Yukoners also voiced their displeasure about going with natural gas because of its link to the controversial practice of hydraulic fracturing, even if the fracking wasn’t occurring in the Yukon.

There were also those who suggested the decision by Yukon Energy to go with natural gas fit with Premier Darrell Pasloski’s desire to stimulate a natural gas industry in the Yukon and provide a local source of gas.

Scott Kent, the minister responsible for Yukon Energy, was unavailable this morning to say whether he knew the LNG facility would not be used to restore power during short-term outages.

Comments (21)

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Mark S on Jul 21, 2015 at 11:38 am

Sally

Your post was well written- excellent in fact. I cannot understand why so many people have chosen to be negative. Please keep up the good work.

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Sally Wright on Jul 20, 2015 at 3:46 pm

I've been thinking about the once a month shower comment, Captain Obvious, and after seeing your latest comment I realize that you are just another contrarian and that no matter what I say, you'll scold.
I love my once-a-month shower, there are many people in the world who don't even get that. There are people in Alberta who can't shower at home because their wells have been contaminated through Fracking.

The idea that solar doesn't work in the Yukon because of "the dark depths of winter" ... "under the 4 hours of indirect sun we get." is also a challenge for hydro as well. Our reservoirs, such as Aishihik Lake, Marsh Lake and Mayo Lake all get capped with ice in the fall and there is be no more input into the "storage" until the spring freshet. So the time of year that Hydro is most challenged is in February and March. Fortunately, February and March are the most sunny times of the year because in part, of the reflection off the snow. That is when hydro would benefit from some solar on the system.

So back to those long, dark cold nights, well, there are a few peer-reviewed scientific papers that prove that in the winter wind speeds are much greater on the tops of the mountains around Whitehorse. The reason we don't get the brunt of these winds is because cold air sinks into the valley and creates an inversion.

The wind demonstration project on top of Haeckel Hill proved this. One of the turbines still churns out electricity to this day, albeit, there had to be a change of management at YEC for it to properly maintained now.

If YEC had been honest with the Yukon people, politicians and regulators that what they needed to replace the 8 megawatts old diesels was an energy system that could be used in the winter to shave daily peaks, assist the hydro in times of drought, has low fuel costs, low carbon emissions and didn't have to be turned on immediately to restore load, then I will suggest we would have a very different outcome. It is the rapid turning on of the energy source which was the deal breaker for the renewable, smart grid alternatives to this project.

Daily electrical peaks of up to 2 megawatts could be achieved by turning off all the hot water heaters in Riverdale during that 20 minute bump. I am sure the people of Riverdale would be fine with that if it meant they didn't have to have a methane bomb nearby. That is just the beginning of the potential of electrical load management that is standard all over the rest of the North American Grid. Those utilities out there are working at Islanding and smartening their grids to protect them from cascading outages.

We have an extremely hydro dependent grid, we need to diversify the sources with wind and solar to help when hydro is challenged by drought. Burning fossil fuels to remedy a Climate Change issue is disgusting and we need to stop that kind of mind-set. It is bad enough to listen to the oil and gas industry raving about the new opportunities for extraction from an ice-free Arctic. This is truly madness, and it must stop.
It is pretty obvious that renewables are forever energy and low carbon. So the only thing a renewable smart-grid couldn't have done, that YEC professed LNG could, was to turn on at a flick of a switch. And now we know, LNG can't do it.
$43 million of lost opportunity.

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Cap'n Obvious on Jul 20, 2015 at 9:53 am

@Werner- You're right. Solar power works great in the dark depths of winter when we need it. It'll also charge up nicely under the 4 hours of indirect sun we get.

$43M is about half of what we would need JUST FOR THE BATTERY STORAGE. Nevermind the cost of the solar/wind plant. Look how well that wind test project is doing on the top of Haeckel hill....

No, my opinions aren't from oil and gas commercials, they're rooted in science and reality. It'd be nice for the rest of us if you guys stopped warming your ears with your butt cheeks and came out into the sun with the rest of us. It's actually pretty nice out here.

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Werner Rhein on Jul 18, 2015 at 11:13 am

Why are so many of you fossile heads so uninformed? Could it be that you are watching to much gladiator games with Oil & Gas Propaganda in commercial breaks?
YEC and the YP Frakheads were lying to Yukoners right from the beginning. In the last 15 to 20 years all the long term planning by YEC had LNG at the bottom and Alternative Energy on the top. Why did it flip?
Did some lousy politicians get job offers from the O&G Industry?
The Yukon is producing electricity to 98% from Hydro, only in the most extreme winter conditions and during equipment failures are the Diesel Generators needed.
In the winter season 2013 / 14 the Diesels ran for 70 hours. So how can these Frakheads justify spending $43M and claim on top of it we would save money.
That LNG is producing less emissions is another lie and comes again only from propaganda from the Industry. Only the last stage in the life cycle of Natural Gas has a little bit less CO2 than Diesel but it produces NOX instead which is very toxic.
North of 60 has even so much knowledge about this issue that he calls the Generators Turbines?
The other lie we got served from the Frakheads was, that this project was only for backup.
But outside the Yukon the Frakheads were bragging what a great market they will create for Natural Gas in Yukon and that everyone will convert their propane burners to NG.
And then there is the small issue with the location.
900 comments to YESAB brought most of these issues forward, none was looked at seriously, or was YESAB not allowed to look.
8000 people signed a petition against fracking and this stupid money wasting project. And now this. But the truth will always come out sooner or later, this time it was realy soon.
We could have spent the $43M on alternative energy and would have created much more energy. Storage for alternative energy like solar and wind makes big strides forward these days but that is not shown in the propaganda from the O&G Industry.

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Some people just don't get on Jul 18, 2015 at 9:24 am

Some people don't get it and are lost in their own beliefs which do not connect to the common sense of the situation.
We are very lucky we 95% hydro.
Look at Alberta burning large amounts of coal to generate energy.
Maybe all the anti everything might want go to Alberta to help them out and tell them what they are doing wrong.

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north_of_60 on Jul 17, 2015 at 4:41 pm

The anti-everything crowd continues to amuse us with their unrealistic beliefs.

Fortunately most of the comments show an understanding that the diesel engines are used for quick response to power outages, and the LNG turbines are used for planned outages or for supplemental generation on the coldest winter days when hydro isn't sufficient.

If more water was retained in Marsh Lake to hold water to September levels into December then we wouldn't need to burn as much fossil fuels, LNG or diesel.

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We need to develop our own gas and reduce cost for energy and our homes on Jul 17, 2015 at 2:18 pm

We need to develop our own gas and reduce the cost of energy to heat our homes .
The US is converting just about all their power generation to gas from coal and have cut the carbon output by 40% or so.
But the anti every one group can't see that but they use fuels every day.

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Politico on Jul 17, 2015 at 12:31 pm

How do you know when Yukon energy is lying?

Their lips are moving.

I, like many other people, believed the LNG generators were going to replace the diesel motors. Too bad no one bothered to clarify the point. More faith lost in big business and politicians!

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Cap'n Obvious on Jul 17, 2015 at 10:14 am

BNR: Nope. Believe it or not the river keeps flowing in the winter. The yukon is powered year round by hydro. It's only at peak times that they fire up the diesels.

I can hear the damn things from my house.

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ProScience Greenie on Jul 16, 2015 at 9:45 pm

Good work YEC. We're using mostly green hydro and have dual backup with diesel and LNG. Now we can start throwing in some solar and wind and of course geothermal as the tech improves to make those energy sources more economic.

Wonder what the anti-everything crowd will go after next?

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Mark S on Jul 16, 2015 at 6:25 pm

It's not the end of the world folks.

When the need for non-hydroelectric power is anticipated- ie the very dark cold days of winter especially in the am before work/school and pm at dinner time and overnight with all the cars plugged in, LNG will be used.

If there is a sudden power outage diesel will be used. Power outages are usually not anticipated and they can be short lived. If staff feel there is a major inconvenience about to happen from a major power outage I would bet LNG would be fast tracked to relieve the situation.

I wish people would stop acting so strongly to developed world problems. We have it pretty good and in a few months we can vote in new civic, territorial and federal governments.

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Cap'n Obvious on Jul 16, 2015 at 3:32 pm

It COULD be able to turn on relatively quickly, but that means the gas tanks would have to be kept warm, like they do down south. That means a TON more gas-off to keep pressure right.

"FTP" is right- the diesels are meant to come on right away, and load can be diverted over when the LNG is ready. Or if they know that the load is going to be overly high (winter) they can plan for it and skip diesels entirely.

Source? I worked pulling the diesel outta the ground that you guys love so much more than LNG and it's a metric f-ton more dirty. We burned LNG 24x7 doing so, too, BECAUSE IT WAS CLEANER AND CHEAPER.

Give your heads a shake and stop opposing projects like this to further your political ambitions. Not all of us burn wood and shower once a month, Sally.

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BnR on Jul 16, 2015 at 2:16 pm

For those wondering what the LNG generators are to be used for if not back up, what do you think we use primarily in the winter? That's what they will be used for.

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The President gives the reason and it would be used for back up on Jul 16, 2015 at 2:12 pm

Read what you like but people just anti everything that creates progress.
It is only for several years, which was part of the program for possible uses.

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losing faith in humanity... on Jul 16, 2015 at 1:31 pm

Damn idiots the whole lot of them. When will you realize that you just can't eat money? You need to get your priorities straight and quit wasting tax payer money. If not for back up what the hell are you guys doing wasting 43 mil in the first place?! Quit pushing for fracking in the Uukon it's disgusting!

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Sally Wright on Jul 16, 2015 at 10:32 am

Yet another reason for a community meeting to learn about the rationale for this project.
Mr. Morrison should be brought back to the territory to explain his sworn testimony before the Yukon Utilities Board on the prudence of a back-up system that can't be easily dispatched in emergency situations.
I feel for the people working at YEC who have to scramble to defend Mr. Morrison's legacies such as the LNG plant, $100 Million YDC bond debt, the ATCO scandal and Mayo B.
Mr. Morrison was appointed by then Premier Denis Fentie to chair YDC back in 2003. I welcome anyone to correct me, but I don't think he ever had to prove his abilities as a good CEO for YEC throughout his whole 12 year reign. When he retired last year, I am pretty sure he was making a Quarter million annually.
Now we are stuck with the bill.

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Bob your uncle on Jul 16, 2015 at 6:31 am

I've just got to say that I don't think this plant was put in the most intelligent location that could have been found for it. It seems we have all our eggs in one spot when there really is no need for the LNG plant to be installed there other than it is convenient and saves a few sheckles amassing it there with the only other means of power generation. Minus 10 for location.

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Steven Horn on Jul 16, 2015 at 1:39 am

What was the point of LNG if it would not be used for emergency backup? If that is the case, the regulator should have a long look at why the third unit should be installed.

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D.Hardly on Jul 15, 2015 at 7:52 pm

Add this news to the YEC suppression of information during the Yukon Utility Board hearing (see hearing transcripts) and YEC's success stopping Skeeter Wright's attempt to use the court to reveal what YEC supressed at the Yukon Utility Board.

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For the plant on Jul 15, 2015 at 5:07 pm

The three EMD'S and the one CAT engine that YEC current use are designed and proven to pick up load in an emergency. One they are running and the load has stabilized it is then easy, if need be, to transfer the load to the LNG engines. It has little to do with the fuel but the way the engines are designed.
Good choice Yec. Keep up the good work

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Lost in the Yukon on Jul 15, 2015 at 3:51 pm

... Further, someone should check into what they are spending to hide what is not complete when the big unveiling happens ... And what it will cost to tear it down afterwards.

Heck ,it's not their money so who cares.

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