Trucks’ removal blamed on ‘mis-understanding’
A mix-up in communication between the Yukon government and Teslin Tlingit Council (TTC) has led to the unsanctioned removal of dozens of Second World War-era trucks from a historic site on the South Canol Road, says the minister of Tourism and Culture.
By Ethan Lycan-Lang on October 24, 2022
A mix-up in communication between the Yukon government and Teslin Tlingit Council (TTC) has led to the unsanctioned removal of dozens of Second World War-era trucks from a historic site on the South Canol Road, says the minister of Tourism and Culture.
Responding to Yukon Party MLA Geraldine Van Bibber in question period last Thursday, minister Ranj Pillai told the legislature his department had learned about the trucks’ removal from the heritage reserve at the end of Canol Road by Johnsons Crossing on Sept. 23.
He said the TTC, with funding from Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada (CIRNAC), removed the trucks as part of an environmental
cleanup in the area.
The problem is, the trucks on that site have already been deemed environmentally safe.
They’re also protected under the Historic Resources Act and are owned and managed by the Yukon government – as signs there make clear.
“There seem to be a lack of conversations that should have happened between other levels of government with the Department of Tourism and Culture,”
Pillai told reporters after that day’s question period.
“And now of course, we’re just working through a process to ensure this doesn’t happen again.”
How it happened in the first place is still somewhat of a mystery.
Neither the TTC nor CIRNAC responded to the Star before press time this afternoon.
Pillai said his department is meeting with them to figure out how the trucks were removed without Yukon government approval or knowledge.
The trucks have now been recovered from the Teslin landfill.
Pillai did not say whether there was funding available for restoration, or how much work that would require, only that all three levels of government are talking about what to do with the recovered trucks now.
The vehicles were left when the Canol Oil project – a massive war effort to bring oil from the Northwest Territories to Whitehorse, and ultimately Alaska – was abandoned in 1945.
CIRNAC did lead a cleanup of the 222-mile Canol Trail in 2018 and 2019, but the recently removed trucks remained in place, being deemed environmentally
safe and historically significant. A nearby interpretive centre with its own war-era trucks is still intact.
Pillai acknowledged that the vehicles may have a different historical value to different Yukoners, but the government and constituents should be consulted
before objects of cultural significance are moved.
In question period, he said the “South Canol truck dump” is part of a “heritage reserves management priorities planning project” his department is
undertaking.
“As part of that project, he said, the public is being consulted on the importance of the site to Yukoners.
“That work has been underway, which is even more of a challenge now with this particular situation,” Pillai said.
There are 15 other sites included in that project, and Van Bibber told the Star last Thursday she’s still concerned what a lack of government response in
Teslin could mean for them.
“If there’s no protection, why even bother putting up signs?” she asked.
“You might as well just say it’s (a) free-for-all. ‘I don’t like something; I can move it.’ No, it can’t be done. Shouldn’t be done.
“(The trucks) were left in the wilderness and they were an attraction for people to come and take pictures and experience what it was like in 1942 or ’45,” Van
Bibber said.
“I think that’s now lost. To some people, it wasn’t eye candy, but I think it’s important we have our links.”
Pillai told reporters he feels confident this sort of mix-up won’t happen again, in Teslin or at other sites around Yukon.
Part of his department’s conversations with the TTC and CIRNAC will look at how to make sure historic sites like this remain protected in the future.
“I would like to believe that it’s not going to happen (to other historical sites) because part of the work we do is we try to educate and inform people,” Pillai
told reporters.
“Maybe they’re not aware and they see something they think is interesting and neat, but it’s a historic site … we always are trying to educate folks about not
disturbing.
“In this case, I would say I think there was a misunderstanding. I think there was a lack of conversation. I understand why individuals would be concerned or
even upset.”
As the government tries to get to the bottom of this, all that remains of the historic site on Canol Road for now are the signs marking it.
Comments (43)
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Heathen on Oct 30, 2022 at 11:20 pm
it’s almost like a self proclaimed government organized along lines of ethnicity acts like a government organized along lines of ethnicity. Oh my giddy aunt!
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Jim on Oct 30, 2022 at 10:31 am
@NeilAlexGeddy, an honest mistake? And your trying to talk common sense? You don’t think the signs and interpretive panels are somewhat of a hint? There is literature all over that talks about the Canol Roads history and importance, if for some reason you happen to miss the signs and interpretive kiosk. There is much more to this than we will ever find out. This was not done by a couple junk collectors. If so they would have been charged, jailed and or fined. This was obviously done by people fairly high up at TTC who applied for funding from the same government agency that paid for YG to cleanup the site and have it declared a historic site and environmentally safe. These vehicles were part of the reason the Canol Road exists. The one place I may agree with you the vehicles in question should be in a museum, but I guess TTC used their common sense and took them to the dump. I hope at the least we find out who was the driving force behind this. But the reality is that will never be exposed for obvious reasons.
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NeilAlexGeddy on Oct 29, 2022 at 4:16 pm
Anyone with some common sense could see how a mistake like that could have been made. Yes, historically significant but maintained to the point where the average bear couldn't distinguish the significance from junk metal. Pieces like that should be in museums in restored condition instead of left to rot on otherwise pristine trails.
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Can we get ice cream? on Oct 28, 2022 at 3:22 pm
At Totally Real Name - on Oct 25, 2022 at 8:00 am:
“We know who the right wing sides with. They've shown us. Daily.”
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We see it everyday too.
“Racial fracking in its pure form was demonstrated at Gustavus Adolphus College in 2017, when posters appeared declaring America to be a “White Nation,” and urging “all white Americans” to turn in “criminal” “illegal aliens.” Only after campus outrage had been allowed to grow and fester did the Diversity Leadership Council admit that the flyers had been posted under its supervision. The goal? To give students practice in opposing bias and hatred. Since there wasn’t any real bias and hatred to practice on, they had to invent some.”
It’s disgusting. The so-called right exists in your own mind. The very real threat is an ideology that voraciously consumes reality while shytting out rainbow, utopian flavoured, dystopian cookies - Nothing is as it seems!
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Quite clearly, the right is on the side of reality. A reality that scares leftists who are otherwise unable to cope in a world that requires thoughtful deliberation… Their own mirror image is too painful to look at themselves so out comes the psychological photoshopping… Crop this, crop that, frame this, frame that… Enhance colour, brightness, diminish the exposure… Ahhh… I’m so pretty and witty and ‘despised’…
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Chuck Farley on Oct 27, 2022 at 4:59 pm
Sam; grow the bleep up; I was commenting on Totally real name's observations on how the Star allows anonymity for those who spiel their racism; and by the way I am not a liberal; now be a good boy and go get your shine box.
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CJ2 on Oct 26, 2022 at 9:30 pm
I'm not understanding the comments here that dismiss the historical value of the trucks and the setting that they were left in.
Like it or not, they were artifacts of a global war, and of the development of the Yukon. The North Canol is an interesting story, if not everyone likes it. This is going to be a very boring place if we devolve into removing anything that someone with a machine doesn't like, especially since much of what a lot of people don't like is that sometimes the outside world intrudes.
History disappears from our collective memory faster than you would believe and the physical reminders have value.
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Observer on Oct 26, 2022 at 7:20 pm
Sam I am, I wouldn't suggest you bet the house on that prediction.
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Sam on Oct 26, 2022 at 1:22 pm
Don't you just love it when the likes of Yukon32, Chuck Farley, Wes etc. get on their collective high and mighty indignant high horses charging at anyone that points out the absurdity of their hero's in the liberal party. It is hilarious to say the least to read their drivel and their self righteousness of Hail to Silver.
Instead of hanging their heads in shame they bristle at the thought of losing "power", which they will.
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Groucho d'North on Oct 26, 2022 at 1:16 pm
I am suprised at some of the comments being made here regarding the age and state of repair of the old trucks in question. Many Yukon historic artifacts are less than pristine in their appearance, just look at some of the historic buildings in Dawson City, or the old dredge #4 that is also a national historic site. The Venus Mine was recently nominated for protection status owing for its advanced age and significance to the past Yukon economy.
Historic artifacts can be found in a wide range of physical conditions, why just the other day in the Legislature there was a tribute to Nun cho ga, the mummified woolly mammoth calf recovered from the Klondike goldfields. This historic artifact will not be restored to new condition as it is just not possible, yet we are happy to celebrate it for not only what it once was, but also for what it is today. The SS Klondike was once in a poor state of repair, yet time and money were invested to restore the old ship to its former glory in celebration of Yukon history and the assets that helped the territory to develop. These old trucks are no different. We celebrate aboriginal artifacts like stone or antler tools that are found in the same manner as displayed at the Beringia Centre or in similar first nation museums and cultural centres. The George Johnson museum in Teslin contains other examples of the old and worn out that still tell a story of Yukon's earlier days.
If this truck removal was some kind of political expression, it was not well considered.
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Liar Liar on Oct 26, 2022 at 9:25 am
"The trucks have now been recovered from the Teslin landfill"
No, the trucks have not been recovered from the Teslin Landfill. I was up there yesterday and they are in a pile of other metals and free for pilfering.
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Chuck Farley on Oct 25, 2022 at 11:33 pm
Totally real name; ouch; your word smithing avoided the mod bots and which definitely touched a nerve.
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Yukoner32 on Oct 25, 2022 at 11:29 pm
@Totally Real Name
Unfortunately you are wrong. The majority of the commenters you see on these pages aren't confined here. They are most certainly hard-core Yukon Party supporters and right now the Yukon Party has like 45% support or something across the territory. So the ideas and attitudes you see regularly espoused here will likely be running the territory as soon as the next election is called.
Let's just hope the NDP realizes this as well and does whatever it can to keep the current government in power for as long as possible even if they disagree with them on some things. I don't think Yukon is actually required to have an election until 2024 or 2025, so we can delay a return to the dark days of conservative government, so long as the Liberals and NDP don't blow it before then.
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Indiana Jones on Oct 25, 2022 at 9:55 pm
I was kinda wondering what would happen if I found a old grave out in the boonies or out in the middle of nowhere and decided to clean it up all in the name of the environment and just being curious what would be my penalty….Indiana jones at the feet of being politicaly correct and at the mercy of the privileged minority.
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marylaker on Oct 25, 2022 at 7:55 pm
Okay, I get it, they didn't want Whitey's rusting out old trucks on the road they snow machine along to trap, and quad along to hunt, and drive back and forth to Ross River on with their trucks. It's their traditional land and the White person's relics have no place there! lol
I do not believe this was a misunderstanding at all. That said, I don't care much either and see both sides of the issue. Some 'history' isn't worth venerating, and the US Army building the Canol Road might fit that bill. I heard a story about what some of those soldiers did.
At this point I would say give the poor old trucks away to anyone who wants to use them as flower boxes. They look nice as planters, and can rust away in a dignified manner where they will be admired and somewhat cared for.
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dumb argument #7 on Oct 25, 2022 at 7:35 pm
When he said "for sure not sure" i was sure it was a green light to go in hot for sure, sir!
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Rural Person on Oct 25, 2022 at 6:11 pm
Reading between the lines it appears the blame squarely belongs to some mid-manager at TTC. I don't know if it was greed or just stupidity. But they took biologically neutral artifacts, from a known protected area, to the Teslin dump. The historic vehicles weren't set aside at the landfill. They were mashed in with the other wrecks. Someone needs to be held accountable.
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Nathan Living on Oct 25, 2022 at 5:01 pm
A bunch of old WWII trucks are not of historical significance. They hardly constitute a historic or heritage site. This just shows how backwards the Yukon government is.
Alas, federal parks Canada preserving broken glass bottles along the Chilkoot trail are similarly way way out of touch.
Now the miner Wilkie in Dawson who actually restores old vehicles has the right idea.
What's next for territorial and federal heritage site displays? A massive display of telegraph wire?
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Max Mack on Oct 25, 2022 at 3:39 pm
Wonder how many parts or entire trucks went missing from that little haul?
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Juniper Jackson on Oct 25, 2022 at 12:39 pm
The vehicles look like garbage, the Gov haven't made any effort to restore them. Yup. to the dump. Now.. just say you're sorry, and the Teslin dudes are off the hook.
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yukoner on Oct 25, 2022 at 12:15 pm
Despite Mr a Pillai a gov-speak, this is a screw up.
Now maybe there was a “misunderstanding” or maybe not. Kind of irrelevant at this point.
Wondering if this was deliberate by the folks at the Teslin FN. I kind of understand if it was. Maybe this will be an unpopular view, but it is teslin First Nation traditional lands, and I suppose if I was a First Nation I’d have some pretty mixed feelings about the Canol project.
In the end, I think we have bigger things to worry about and we gotta remember, the Yukon First Nations are our friends and neighbours and they were here first. I know I get upset about things changing here for the worse with all the newcomers, can’t imagine how our First Nation friends feel about it
We really just need to get along I reckon.
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Wilf Carter on Oct 25, 2022 at 12:07 pm
These trucks could be sold for great money
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Richard Blindheim on Oct 25, 2022 at 10:56 am
This must have taken some time to do. Were there no overseers watching what was happening? There are so many sites in the Yukon that are left to deteriorate. Even the signs explaining the importance of an area are unreadable or have fallen down. There seems to be a lack of communication between many departments.
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Jim on Oct 25, 2022 at 10:54 am
Unfortunately Yukon heritage and history is not that important to Ranj. Nowhere has he stated that the articles will be returned. And to think this “no guts” attitude will be one of the choices to be premier. To think this was just a miscommunication is laughable. The same department that paid for the original cleanup and deeming this an environmental safe heritage site, paid TTC to haul them to the dump. So taxpayers paid for the original cleanup, taxpayers paid for TTC’s violation of the heritage site, and most likely the taxpayers will pay to restore the heritage site. Maybe I’m the only one to see that the TTC is basically saying that YG has no control over their actions and will deem what is historic and what is not.
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Groucho d'North on Oct 25, 2022 at 9:59 am
I doubt there was a mix-up in communications, rather I suspect one of the parties did not like where the discussion concluded.
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Dentist47 on Oct 25, 2022 at 8:21 am
What amazes me is that nobody questioned moving these vehicles to the dump in the first place. I’m talking about the people who did the actual moving. They are stacked in the metal section of the dump and there are a lot of them.
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Totally real name on Oct 25, 2022 at 8:00 am
Holy selective-editing batman.
This Tabloid site has become the only bastien for x-tremists.
Good idea containing these incels and domestic terrors to just this anonymous comment section. Wow.
Integrity vs private profit. We know who the right wing sides with. They've shown us. Daily.
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Austin on Oct 25, 2022 at 7:47 am
Sweep it under the carpet and move on to the next screw up.
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Thick Wool on Oct 25, 2022 at 6:52 am
It’s not history, it’s just junk. If they were beautifully restored, hand-rubbed and well-loved… then yes, find them a spot and store them safely. If they are just junk in the bush, I don’t see why any further public funds be spent. Let a community organization like the Legion raise funds to have one restored. Plant it at the Transportation Museum where we have collectively decided such things belong. Only in the Yukon is a site like this, otherwise left to rot, considered a ‘resource’. Please… unclutch the pearls, eh?
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North_of_60 on Oct 24, 2022 at 11:40 pm
Why should the TTC ask the govt for permission to do anything on traditional lands? It's always easier to get forgiveness for "misunderstandings". Besides it's not like those were traditional TTFN artifacts they would respect.
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A little nonsensical wordplay… Some time… And it’ll all go away like a church up in smoke… on Oct 24, 2022 at 10:07 pm
Nice word salad there Pillai… What do you have to go with that word salad… Maybe some Ranj dressing?
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Wayne Lohnes on Oct 24, 2022 at 10:02 pm
What does a SIGN mean........ A SIGN MEANS JUST WHAT IT SAYS......total BULLS**IT, MAKE WHOEVER MOVED THEM PUT THEM BACK. Maybe whoever is responsible for this should clean their own doorstep first.....just sayin`
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CJ2 on Oct 24, 2022 at 9:46 pm
What's this? A new byline??? Welcome!
This is by Johnson's Crossing? Seems weird that they wouldn't know about it in Teslin. It's a shame, there's nothing like a few hours spent investigating these old trucks. You don't get the same feeling in the plentiful sites full of 70s and 80s vehicles. They probably disintegrated when they got moved.
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The Great Ottawa Honkey Tonk! on Oct 24, 2022 at 9:41 pm
And yet we are supposed to leave arrowheads where they are found to preserve Indigenous cultures?
Criminal charges… LOL! How many churches, how many statues, how many railway blockades… Crickets! However, you get some white-honkey-honkers in Ottawa and the Emergency Measures are brought out…
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Observer on Oct 24, 2022 at 9:30 pm
The same old cons complaining about the same old things, does not matter what the story is, it is the liberal, communist, left leaning, tree huggers, first nations fault. We want an election right now, even though you have not won one in a long time and I would bet you won't have enough seats to form the next government.
If you are that in love with old iron, there is tons of the stuff up in the klondike gold fields.
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My Opinion on Oct 24, 2022 at 9:29 pm
Teslin has a nice little museum full of their little historic treasures. How would they like it if someone decided to throw that in the dump? What next are they going to burn down the Riverboats? Oh yeah that has already happened.
Only some peoples history should be respected.
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bonanzajoe on Oct 24, 2022 at 9:11 pm
@Curious Yukoner on Oct 24. I was going to say something similar, but didn't think the Star would print it. But, your right, it would have gone planetary viral. The UN would be demanding an apology and the governments would be burning the night oil cutting cheques.
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bonanzajoe on Oct 24, 2022 at 9:07 pm
Who is showing lack of historical respect now?
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Himbo on Oct 24, 2022 at 4:32 pm
Well hopefully proper criminal charges will be laid against the Teslin Tlingit Council for destruction/ disturbing a historical site. If I was to go to shipyards park and remove the SS Klondike, I would surely be in jail… would I not be? Same thing.
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Dan Davidson on Oct 24, 2022 at 3:48 pm
So … are they going to restore the site?
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Curious Yukoner on Oct 24, 2022 at 3:25 pm
Now what do you think would happen if this had been a First Nations Historic Site?.....I am quite certain the response would be much sharper........but the Libs won't hold a FN responsible.....it's only a misunderstanding....right!
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Grumpy on Oct 24, 2022 at 3:12 pm
Grumpy
Yet another misunderstanding from this tired team. Disappointing.
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Jake on Oct 24, 2022 at 2:47 pm
Sheeesh another bureaucratic nightmare. When leadership won’t clear out the inept people under them, then it leads me to believe it goes right to the top. Election time!
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BnR on Oct 24, 2022 at 2:29 pm
“There seem to be a lack of conversations that should have happened between other levels of government with the Department of Tourism and Culture,” Pillai told reporters after that day’s question period.
A “lack of conversations…”
Whatever the hell that means.
TTC just went ahead and did it and taxpayers are going to have to pay to put them back. No misunderstanding there.