Whitehorse Daily Star

Image title

Photo by Vince Fedoroff

THE VERDICT IS IN – Vern Peters (left) and Ken Taylor, members of the Trails Only Yukon Association, seen at this morning's news conference, say the survey results have dissolved any debate over whether ATV regulations are needed in the territory (top). FLAGRANT DESTRUCTION – Ken Taylor, a member of the Trails Only Yukon Association, displays examples of the damage to Yukon terrain done by ATV riders, during today's news conference.

‘They're leaving behind scars that last a lifetime'

Ninety-three per cent of Yukoners want some sort of legislation over all-terrain vehicle (ATV) use

By Nadine Sander-Green on September 8, 2011

Ninety-three per cent of Yukoners want some sort of legislation over all-terrain vehicle (ATV) use to protect the Yukon wilderness, according to a recent poll commissioned by the Trails Only Yukon Association (TOYA).

The poll, completed by DataPath Systems of Marsh Lake, found that 42 per cent of Yukoners want ATV use controlled only in extremely sensitive areas, while 51 per cent want control in all situations.

Seven per cent of people said they don't want any legislation.

"There is no more debate whether Yukoners want safeguards put in place,” Vern Peters, a member of TOYA, told a press conference he held at his Porter Creek C house this morning. "The only debate is which party in the coming election is going to be prepared to do that.”

Ken Taylor, another TOYA member, said their organization wants to support ATV enthusiasts. But they want to support them using the "thousands and thousands” of bulldozed and old exploration roads.

"When you reach the end of those bulldozed roads, get out and walk,” Taylor advised ATV enthusiasts.

"Don't just turn your machine left and plow your way through sensitive habitat.”

Peters said that the Yukon is the last lawless jurisdiction in Canada when it comes to ATV use. He has noticed people from Alberta and B.C. coming to the Yukon for just that reason.

"Folks come here to do things they can't do in their own region,” said Peters. "They're leaving behind scars that last a lifetime and a little bit of gas money. Is that all our wilderness is worth – a little bit of gas money?”

DataPath surveyed 275 people from August 4-11– 193 in Whitehorse and 82 outside of the city. The survey cost $850, and was paid in full by a donation from one TOYA member.

The reason the organization, which has been existence for almost two years, wanted to conduct the survey was to have a scientific measure of where Yukoners stand on the ATV issue.

"There's been some surveys,” said Peters, "but they haven't really been scientific.”

One member, right when the organization was created, knocked on more than 700 doors in Whitehorse to find out what residents want when it comes to ATV legislation. At this time, 73 per cent of residents wanted some sort of protection.

Peters said the organization also wanted confirmation on what it's doing.

"Quite frankly, Yukoners have wanted to move this issue forward for 25 years. Some loud voices have said, ‘Hey, this isn't a big deal.' Well, we think that wilderness for Yukoners is a big deal,” said Peters.

The poll also found that there is strong support for one specific recommendation in the legislature's report on the Safe Operation and Use of off-road Vehicles, which was released last March.

Eighty-seven per cent of Yukoners support the recommendation to exclude off-road vehicles from specific types of land and habitat, 84 per cent support the idea of restricting the growth of trail networks in sensitive areas, while 82 percent want certain areas designated as access routes only.

The results which surprised both Peters and Taylor was Yukoners' response to the following question: Are you in favour of a moratorium which stops the creation of any new recreational ATV trails until controlled access regulations have been put in place?

Fifty-three per cent of those surveyed said yes, 28 per cent said no and 19 per cent said they are unsure.

"I think this speaks to the fact the people don't want a moratorium, they want legislation,” said Peters.

A moratorium, he continued, can also just be another tactic to delay the process of protecting habitat and wildlife from ATV damage.

As for the seven per cent of people who are against any sort of legislation for ATV use, Peters thinks the fact that it's such a small percentage points to what Yukoners really want.

"In the papers and in the press and in past years, people have said this is a really contentious issue,” he said. "Well, we don't think it's a very contentious issue.”

Taylor said the seven per cent of people opposing any sort of ATV control have been "loud, aggressive and noisy” on the issue.

"When people feel threatened, I think they tend to get their backs up,” he said.

"Unless what you're saying is that you want to go anywhere you want, anytime you want and destroy whatever you want, then we're not opposed to you. We need to work together.”

Frankly, continued Taylor, for those who do want all those things, we are against you.

He and Peters know simply educating the public on environmental damage from ATVs is not good enough. Other jurisdictions have tried the educational route and, according to Taylor, it "utterly fails.”

Taylor, a retired educator and former leader of the Yukon Liberal Party, used a classroom analogy to drive his point home.

"If I said at the start of the year, ‘We'd really like you to behave, but if you don't, there's not much we can do,'” he explained. "That's probably not going to be a good recipe for success for the rest of the year.”

As for enforcing legislation, Taylor and Peters said they are aware some people will break the law. They believe, though, that the vast majority of Yukoners are "good people”.

"If you give people a fair guideline, a clear rule, they'll follow it most of the time,” said Taylor.

TOYA is now planning its political strategy. It will ask each candidate questions around supporting ATV legislation and when they would implement such legislation.

The organization will then take out report card-style ads in Whitehorse newspapers in the weeks leading up to the territorial election.

NDP Leader Liz Hanson was the only political party representative who responded to the Star's request for comment before press time this afternoon.

She said implementing the recommendations from the select committee's spring report is one of the party's first priorities.

"I'm not surprised with the outcome of the poll,” said Hanson. "This issue has struck a chord with so many Yukoners.”

By Nadine Sander-Green

Star Reporter

Comments (17)

Up 1 Down 0

Denise on Sep 13, 2011 at 1:09 pm

This does not sound like a yukon study, it sounds like a City of Whitehorse issue and always has been. Let the city create their by-laws and leave the rest of the Yukon out of this. Other communities can create their own rules if this is truly an issue for them. And the study should redo their study and include all yukon people in a study like this that may affect a lot of people. Otherwise don't label it that 93 percent of Yukoners want this. It should be labeled that 93 percent of respondents want it.

Up 1 Down 0

Francias Pillman on Sep 12, 2011 at 1:59 pm

Real Yukoners could care less about this stupid ATV issue. We did fine for years and now some special rights people from down south had their feelings hurt because they saw some ATV tracks. Where are you regarding the mines that poison our lakes and rivers? ATV tracks doesn't destroy the environment like you people whine and complain about. Take your big city dreams elsewhere and worry about stuff that really matters.

Up 0 Down 0

northone on Sep 11, 2011 at 11:43 pm

Yes, irresponsible ATV use can cause some damage but so can irresponsible horseback riding and hiking. Here we have a couple of busy bodies trying to hype their dislike of ATVs as an environmental issue. Anyone here had a first hand look at what the mine exploration boom is doing to our environment? I was out this weekend (on my ATV) and saw some of the recent mine exploration scars in places I've been going to for decades - clearings, poorly backfilled trenches, garbage, etc. But keep picking on ATV users, they're an easy target. I wish the media got out and reported what was really happening in the hinterland.

Up 0 Down 0

yukon born on Sep 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm

I agree with CD, and others... I think u should have to be yukon born to fully understand and respect the land as we need it. With the game being pushed back, we often need atv to haul gear etc out. We are not as rich as outfitters who can fly gear in and out, so the atv is a tool. When a person gets a little older, it is nice to drive the farther distance and then walk. We are not granola eaters or green freaks, we are ppl that live here all our life and have educated outsiders moving here making rules for us and we suffer from it. Nature itself destroys land as does mining, subdivisions, and we all need to respect the land and be reasonable. I think one should live here for at least 25 years before eligible for a govt or legislative committee or otherwise position, then earn your stripes like we did.

Up 0 Down 0

Mike Kohler on Sep 10, 2011 at 7:28 am

I hope there are a few more Yukoners left that see through TOYA's political tactics, and the misinformation they are spreading, with Ken Taylor's selective picture taking.

ATV tracks through swampy puddles may look "photogenic" to Ken and his followers, but usually grow over every spring/summer. It does not take a lifetime, but that doesn't fit his agenda. He does not want to see human signs of activity at all.

Phony organization, junk research and very questionable poll. Don't fall for their impertinent claim to represent ATV users!

If you support a politician who subscribes to Ken Taylor's ideas, you deserve to loose your freedom of movement. It is ATVs this time, but will be horseback riding, mountain biking or hiking in the future. There are parts in Europe where you get charged if you step off designated trails. Do you want this kind of green fascism?

Up 0 Down 0

susan rogan on Sep 10, 2011 at 2:28 am

Hardy, absolutely trucks have to be included and there should be no exclusions for hunting parties. Being that Ken is an avid hunter, and is asking for 'trails only' use, I assume he is asking for hunters as well as others to keep on existing trails.

I can hear my partner on the phone downstairs talking to a friend on the phone about 'some pretty nice quad trails' that they can go dirt biking on. No issues with them about staying on trail. We are not 'desk jockeys' or 'green belt people', we are people who get out there too and also happen to believe in respecting wildlife and habitat.

Up 0 Down 0

JC on Sep 9, 2011 at 9:17 am

G Hardy: No you haven't! 4x4s can't go where ATVs go.

Up 0 Down 0

Erin Giesbrecht on Sep 9, 2011 at 4:22 am

I ride my ATV with enthusiasm. I have observed far more damage to the environment caused by mining, not ATV's. In fact I have personally carted out discarded garbage from these mine sites, ON MY ATV! If you really want to protect the land, clean up the old mines and strongly regulate new ones. Mining = Money but ATVing = My Sanity.

Why is the almighty dollar more important than my quality of life?

Up 0 Down 0

Derpina on Sep 9, 2011 at 3:55 am

G Hardy said: Who's to say 80% of those surveyed were not biased.

Erm, when you do a survey people are supposed to be biased, otherwise everyone would have 'no opinion'

Up 0 Down 0

Billy Polson on Sep 9, 2011 at 3:48 am

With all their former experience ruling the minions of the Yukon these two and their other hunting cronies, who all own quads and who have driven them to their sheep and caribou since they arrived from Ontario, hope to save us from ourselves while creating their legacy......I just polled my buddies and 92% agree.

Up 0 Down 0

john jack on Sep 8, 2011 at 11:48 pm

It is obvious you did your survey with green belt people only!!!

Up 0 Down 0

north of 60 on Sep 8, 2011 at 11:47 am

All ATVs and snowmachines must be registered and insured with a license plate clearly displayed, for any of these recommendations to work.

Up 0 Down 0

G Hardy on Sep 8, 2011 at 11:25 am

A scientific survey? $850 LOL, 275+82 people does not represent a true cross section of the people. Who's to say 80% of those surveyed were not biased.

Agreed, things have to be done to protect the wild-lands, but I have seen a lot more damage done by 4x4 trucks,and Hunting parties, how about including those.

Up 0 Down 0

CD on Sep 8, 2011 at 11:01 am

Take your rules and move to Ontario. There are already too many idiots behind a desk telling us what we can do and can not do.

Up 0 Down 0

susan rogan on Sep 8, 2011 at 9:40 am

Thank you Ken and Vern. I really appreciate you and your group for spending your time and money, and risking abuse and ridicule for the sake of the environment. Hopefully some more of the 93% who believe there should be rules will speak up and back you up!

Up 0 Down 0

JC on Sep 8, 2011 at 8:30 am

Here's an idea for legislation - ban them within the city limits. And that goes for those high pitched screaming motorcycles some idiots like to ride through neighborhoods at full speed.

Up 0 Down 0

Me on Sep 8, 2011 at 7:47 am

Keep the idiots off the roads too. That goes for ATVs, ORVs and snowmachines before more people are killed.

Add your comments or reply via Twitter @whitehorsestar

In order to encourage thoughtful and responsible discussion, website comments will not be visible until a moderator approves them. Please add comments judiciously and refrain from maligning any individual or institution. Read about our user comment and privacy policies.

Your name and email address are required before your comment is posted. Otherwise, your comment will not be posted.