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Richard Mostyn and Stacey Hassard

Procurement policy prompts testy exchange

The new First Nations procurement policy being introduced by the Yukon government is stirring controversy and questions from the opposition in the legislature.

By Tim Giilck on December 22, 2020

The new First Nations procurement policy being introduced by the Yukon government is stirring controversy and questions from the opposition in the legislature.

The Yukon Party has been pressing the government for a week on how it’s developed the policy, and how it consulted with business and other levels of government before introducing it.

On Monday, the question sparked a feisty exchange between Richard Mostyn, the minister of Highways and Public Works and the Public Service Commission, and Stacey Hassard, the official Opposition leader in the legislature for the Yukon Party.

Hassard has been regularly prodding the government as to whether businesses and municipalities were participants in the process. He said he’s been receiving calls from people concerned that the policy was dictated and not developed.

“It’s not consultation when you just tell someone how it’s going to be,” he told Mostyn during question period.

“Mr. Speaker, why did the Liberals wait until after the policy was finalized before they decided to consult with the affected stakeholders?”

The question clearly rankled Mostyn, who fired back at Hassard.

”I really have to take issue with the assertions of the leader of official Opposition,” he said.

“We did not wait, Mr. Speaker. I have said on the floor of this legislature several times in the past week or so that we actually did meet with businesses and other stakeholders prior to this policy being endorsed and ratified by virtually every First Nation of the Yukon Forum just a couple of Fridays ago.

“We did meet. We actually provided a draft of the policy — as a matter of fact, the same draft of the draft document that cabinet has seen, Mr. Speaker. The member opposite is frankly wrong.”

Mostyn continued to hammer at Hassard during the ill-tempered exchange.

“Now the policy has now been ratified by the First Nations. We’re very happy to have that done. Now that it has happened, we’re working with our business community on informing them about the details of this policy and how it will work going forward,” Mostyn said.

“We’ve worked very, very hard on the procurement file for the last several years since we took office in 2016. We have endorsed and have worked with the business community to get all of the recommendations of the Procurement Advisory Panel in place within two years.

“We made that deadline and we’re improving the definition and doing all the good work to try to keep as much work and as much money in the territory as possible.”

Mostyn insisted the consultation process had been broad before the introduction of the policy at the Yukon Forum two weeks ago.

“We told the business community that there would be a First Nation procurement policy. We told First Nations that. We have delivered.

“The policy will strengthen Yukon companies in their bids for government contracts. It will work to keep dollars in the territory, and it will be to the benefit of all Yukoners in the years to come,” the minister said.

“We are now working with businesses to inform them about the policy in this living and breathing document, and we will continue to work with them through January and February.”

Mostyn added he would be happy to provide briefings on the policy to the Yukon Party members if they approached it in a “sincere” manner.”

“I’m happy to hear that the minister is offering up briefings because I think that he maybe should take that up himself,” Hassard sniped back. “He could probably use it.

“Another group that the Liberals forgot to consult is municipalities,” Hassard said.

“Some municipalities are under the impression that capital projects that are funded by Yukon government will be subject to the First Nation procurement policy, even though they will ultimately be owned by the municipality.

“Can the minister tell us if this new policy will apply to municipal infrastructure projects?”

Instead of answering directly, an irate Mostyn continued to attack the Yukon Party.

“We thought that the Yukon Party might be against this procurement policy, and I’m not really sure what their position is. Despite (leader) Currie Dixon’s pledge to build a kinder, gentler conservative Yukon Party, it’s painfully evident that this is the same tired old party pushing a battered figurehead, the old Yukon Party that sees First Nations as an obstacle to business and as an inconvenience — the party of Bill S-6, which was backhandedly introduced in the Senate, and the party of ‘pave the Peel,’ which sought to subvert land use planning processes.”

Comments (36)

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Pikachu on Dec 28, 2020 at 6:56 pm

@Jim You say "the Liberals hope the sheep buy into the procurement policy". Do you consider the Yukon Party and NDP to be sheep as well? Neither of those political parties have come out against this. They gave a bit of criticism for not consulting enough but that's it. There might be a disagreement among the parties on some tweaks but it sounds like they all agree on this for the most part. Sadly for you, none of them agree with your position champ. Maybe the Yukon Party would have opposed it if Brad Cathers won the leadership instead of Currie, but even then I doubt it.

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YukonMax on Dec 28, 2020 at 6:33 am

A few years back, a contract I was bidding on for a second time (repeat), had a first nation component that was so vague it wasn't worth the 100 point answering it. At the same time, I felt insulted on behalf of the first nation for the section being worth only 100 points when the total points was, I believe, over 2000. So, again, that is just part of the exercise. No biggy.

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Clifford on Dec 28, 2020 at 1:34 am

Would the Yukon Party prefer dealing with another type of procurement policy that the Fentie administration used in secret dealings to sell YEC and under the table deals with Liard First Nation? I know Brad Cathers disagreed with this procurement procedure. Don't tell me some of them want to return to that, not now.

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TheHammer on Dec 27, 2020 at 9:56 pm

JC@ 'diversity is our strength I haven't figured out what that means - it means this is not a one man show. You are not living here by yourself, there's a whole world outside your white bubble.

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Moose on Dec 27, 2020 at 6:32 pm

The fact that Juniper and Wilf both oppose this policy is the best evidence that it's probably a very good policy.

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Jim on Dec 27, 2020 at 5:49 pm

@Dan L, speaking of fools for advisers, the Liberal party is hoping all the sheep buy into a procurement policy that pits local non-first nation companies against First Nation companies buy giving a financial advantage to one. This article seems to be missing those facts. Probably the same way that their consultation with existing businesses went. There are some local companies that will be left out in the cold if they have 10 to 15% disadvantage. But I guess as typical Liberals believe, the cost doesn’t matter as the budget will balance itself. What does your adviser have to say with that?

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Dan L. on Dec 27, 2020 at 12:55 pm

The thing is that anyone who trusts a Yukon Party procurement policy has a fool for an adviser.

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Juniper Jackson on Dec 25, 2020 at 11:19 pm

Moose: There is nothing in the Umbrella agreement that gives FN a piece of private development pie off FN land. But, there seems to be a trend into racism and people getting away with it by saying it's for the good of the country. The FN, in addition to tax dollar, get a huge amount of self government money. I'd like to see them, if they are going to have their own government.. pay their own bills.. but, they are on to a good thing, and that's never going to happen.

That being said..my comment was not about this policy per se, it was about targeting a single group and giving them extra ordinarily attention. Racism isn't always about punching someone in the nose because they wear a different color skin.. The Muslim community received $100,000K plus.. the Catholics didn't, the Baptists didn't, the Mormons didn't.. Target ANY group for more than the next group IS racism. A woman and a man do the exact same job, but he gets $10. more an hour than she does.. what's that? A business runs and ad asking for black men only to apply. Black women, white men, white women.. Filipino men, women.. all could do that job..If there is an ad posted White person only need apply.. that business would be shut down and someone would probably go to jail.. THAT'S what my first post is about. Fairness in life, and business.

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Joe on Dec 25, 2020 at 7:19 pm

@moose...we don't agree. It's one thing to honour UFA ( this policy doesn't fit fyi) and it's another to show favouritism to buy votes. To make things worse, saying you consulted when you didn't is a stretch for sure. Since this favors f/n dev corps I would ask why their business should get priority over mine?

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Yodi on Dec 25, 2020 at 2:35 pm

@Moose
All I’m saying is the Yukon will change dramatically in the next decades.
The new residents that will move here to live, and raise families will provide an overwhelming voting block that will not tolerate a society that is blatantly biased towards one segment of the population in the Yukon, even if they have some treaty rights.
The majority will rule, and FN should prepare for that eventually by realizing you can accomplish more by using honey, rather than vinegar.
You may be First Nations, but the Yukon is Canada. Unless you start printing your own money, start collecting your own taxes, and issue your own passports, be prepared to always be ruled by the majority of tax paying Canadians.

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Moose on Dec 24, 2020 at 11:16 pm

@Juniper
You listed Catholics, Muslims, Filipinos, East Indians and others. You speak like someone who moved to the territory yesterday. Surely you realize that none of these groups have legally signed treaties with the government of Yukon and Canada right? Are you suggesting we as Yukoners ignore the treaties and specifically chapter 22?

@Yodi You are saying never vote Liberal as if the NDP or even the Yukon Party are against this. You are aware that neither have said they are opposed right? It doesn't matter which party is in power. This is a legal matter which I guarantee you all of the political parties will support. If you want a party that goes against this policy, you best start up your own. My suggestion is starting up a local chapter of the "People's Party" LOL

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Dave on Dec 24, 2020 at 4:38 pm

Hey Mick and Stephen, stop deflecting. Why do your types always try to bring the USA into the subject? We are not talking about the USA we are talking about the BS the Liberals are pulling here in the Yukon. We are Canadians in Canada in Yukon and we want this Liberal nonsense to stop.

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Mick on Dec 24, 2020 at 10:59 am

Who down votes (below) the fact that Currie is unelected?
YuCon Party members from an alternate dimension, that's who! You saw what happened to your golden idol Trump and you will meet the same fate in the fall election.
Try something novel like helping Yukoners rather than manufacturing scandal after scandal that never stick. We're sick and tired of the politicking. Get to work for the people who elected you.

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stephen on Dec 24, 2020 at 10:37 am

First, most of you throwing around socialist have no clue what that means. Maybe educate yourself before throwing around words you have no clue what they mean. You may not want to take old age pension or use our hospital system as it's socialist. I suggest going and living in the states and see how you like capitalism.

Second, remember it's politicians that make these stupid policies. It matters not if it's Liberal or Con. I have worked in public and private procurement for a few decades and I can say the polices put in place by Cons have had just as bad effect on our economies in the provinces and country. Stupid policies and agreements are not exclusive to one political party.

Now there was a much better way to create a fair procurement policy and process than what has just been put in place as I have worked on it when working with a public entity. First you want to promote local companies and FN you put in the RFP waiting to support this. Second "Hope the Process Works" if you worked in the Yukon Gov or Municipal procurement then you would have known it would be smarter to provide training to both FNs and businesses on how to reply to RFPs so there would be more success rather than just the cheapest price. That's old school and poor procurement.

Who ever developed this procurement policy and are in procurement should be embarrassed and speak up as its totally motivated and it does not help ANY Yukoner FN or not.

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Jack C. on Dec 24, 2020 at 5:28 am

Hazzard likes sole sourced procurement policies handed out at Xmas time to 'Yukon Party' companies. Remember his unilateral award of a
sole sourced 1 million+ contract handed out to Total North Communications because they indicated they would provide a higher speed by optioning the equipment that was being purchased. A veritable champion of fair play.

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Yodi on Dec 23, 2020 at 8:38 pm

First Nations first!
If it’s all about votes then the First Nations number approximately 14,000. About half are voters. That leaves approximately 36,000 other voters [and growing] in the Yukon.
If non native interests want a level playing field in the procurement game, then the solution is obvious. Never vote Liberal, and write new laws.

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My Opinion on Dec 23, 2020 at 4:59 pm

@Hope the process works.
This is not about the First Nations directly bidding Government Contracts.
It is about First Nations Corporations bidding Government Contracts. It's about Air North, Kilrich Industries, Northerm, Yukon Inn, NVD, Coke Plant, McInroy Disposal, Yukon Water Services, General Waste Management, Klondike Business Solutions, CastleRock Ent., Chieftain Fuel services. And I could go on and on, this is not a trivial matter.

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My Opinion on Dec 23, 2020 at 4:45 pm

So if you want to do business here you will have to pay. Somebody has to get a cut. Where have you heard that before? It is the MAFIA. Its their TURF. Their is some diversity for ya.

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Juniper Jackson on Dec 23, 2020 at 3:01 pm

Whenever anyone singles out a particular group.. Catholics? Muslims? FN, Latino's, Caucasians, men, women, that are equal in every way except skin color (and a body part). It's out and out racism. The Liberal party is noted for that, having just passed a bill to provide $40 million dollars exclusively for black housing. uh huh. How many East Indian's are living 10 and 12 to a house? On the streets? How many Filipino's? And there are MORE whites on the streets living in shelters and tents than either of the others. So..justify this blatant racism and bigotry?

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Mick on Dec 23, 2020 at 1:53 pm

@ Lynx

Currie Dixon remains unelected.

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Jim on Dec 23, 2020 at 9:52 am

So in Mostyn’s own words, once it was ratified by the First Nations (aka, gift has been given), now they will be working with businesses to advise them of the details. Yup, sounds like consultation to me. So now the government has raised the prices of every project by giving a percentage allowance to First Nation owned companies over locally owned and operated non-First Nation companies. Or bands and local companies will be forming new shadow corporations that again will raise the prices. So maybe Richard Mostyn should rethink his statement that somehow this policy will be beneficial for all Yukoners. Sounds to me like we will get less for our tax dollars.

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Groucho d'North on Dec 23, 2020 at 9:41 am

Through their approach to governing, this administration has done an excellent job of diividing our communities due to race and their interpretation of how to apply equality. Sounds like Dicky Mostyn has no magic words to make this blatant cock-up go away, and he is loath to admit they erred in their methods to create this unfair, racially-biased procurement policy. They are building quite the legacy for themselves.

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Arnie on Dec 23, 2020 at 4:12 am

Great job minister Mostyn. Gone are the days of Yukon Party, "friends of the government" procurement policies.

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Lynx on Dec 22, 2020 at 9:20 pm

@Yukoner
ha ha you think the YP are "telling it like it is"? They won't even say where they stand on this policy so how the heck is that "telling it like it is"? Now that I think about it, they haven't taken a real position on anything since Currie Dixon was elected. Me thinks he may be a bit spineless. Though it's obviously enough to impress you.

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Josey Wales on Dec 22, 2020 at 6:29 pm

ahhh...the pawns of the game are getting moved around by the players I see.
The game of course is divide & conquer via racial division, been the key tool in the LPC since the late 1960's.
Metric Democrats need slaves always in their economic plantations, they just get craftier at the sell.

All animals on the farm are equal, some are more equal than others. George Orwell.
We are all being farmed, we are all merely a commodity to these political blowholes. We need some serious help understanding this...before harvest time comes.

This procurement policy redefines SUCK and is over the top racist.
...comrades

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Hope the process works on Dec 22, 2020 at 5:30 pm

Having worked in procurement in the Yukon, this is tough. Not once has a FN government responded to a tender. Why should anyone (doesn’t matter who) be awarded a contract if they’re not interested in properly doing the process?

I hope this is proven promising, fair and transparent.

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JC on Dec 22, 2020 at 4:42 pm

Jake the Bosun. There was one, but he was crucified about 2000 years ago.

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JC on Dec 22, 2020 at 4:40 pm

Dave: And it's the Libs that are trying to brainwash the citizens that "Diversity is our strength". I still don't exactly know what that means, but it seems to get them votes. From the immigrants that is.

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JC on Dec 22, 2020 at 4:38 pm

Do the Libs plan on providing briefings to the tax payers of the Yukon - you know, the private citizens? Do they think it's any of our business?

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joe on Dec 22, 2020 at 4:20 pm

The extent of their business consultation was to provide F/N dev corps with a 50 page policy draft.

I'm in business, I didn't see it. Why does another Yukon business have more rights than mine? What's next priority hospital beds? I'd call out this govy too and ask who exactly did you consult.

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Matthew on Dec 22, 2020 at 3:42 pm

“It’s not consultation when you just tell someone how it’s going to be,” he told Mostyn during question period.
And its not democracy either!
Great! So why isn't this being used for Covid?

This is just a show, mere bickering over nothing, giving themselves something to be happy about when they cash their fat cheques while the rest of us are on crumbs..

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Yukoner on Dec 22, 2020 at 3:41 pm

YP has my vote just for telling it like it is. They held back more than I would have, but seriously - this policy makes it harder for any contractor not FN to get contracts. This policy is a vote-buying bogus scheme, and unfair to so many. This government should be ashamed.

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Bob on Dec 22, 2020 at 2:24 pm

The YP and NDP sure have a lot of material to work with from this fall session come election time - a theme of "consultation, but only if what you say aligns with what we want or have already done."
Listening to this minister during question period has become comical. Several times in the last weeks he has raised his voice to a point where it's shocking that Cathers didn't step in with a point of order. Even the opposition parties aren't getting as personal as Mostyn has been of late. People aren't impressed by that btw.
Remember the days when ministers rose to speak without shuffling through piles of speaking notes to pick out which pre-written response they were going to use? Remember when they spent hours with their department officials and asked so many questions of them that the public service would be annoyed? Remember when ministers knew their departments and the issues so well they didn't need to be scripted?
It's because they actually did their jobs, and they understood the divide between the political and the public service. More and more government employees are so fed up with this group. This group doesn't understand their roles, doesn't work well with the public service (and yes Mostyn - they are the 'public' service - not civil service...look up the difference. As the minister you should know that - show some respect).
I miss the days of politicians that said what they thought, showed some courage and at least said - 'I don't know...but I'll find out" instead of giving some long-winded non-answer. Can we ever expect to have this again? Maybe time for a minority government for a few years - then we might start to see them all working together for the good of ALL Yukoners.

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Wilf Carter on Dec 22, 2020 at 1:17 pm

My, my, my, I can't believe this EX news paper editor is putting out so much poo. Give us a list of businesses that support this policy and your consultations with members of the chamber of commerce. Nothing - ha. Sandy I am so disappointed in your leadership. When are you taking over Ranj? Where is the capacity in FN's to build roads, housing, social services, education, etc. I feel so sorry for FN's on this policy because they are being set up by the liberals to fail because this is not the way to support FN's communities at all.

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Jake The Bosun on Dec 22, 2020 at 12:57 pm

What would it be like if a politician (any politician) actually said what he was thinking ?
When you are hypocritical, when you only speak the official party line, your are in fact lying.
Is there a politician anywhere who is being honest?

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Dave on Dec 22, 2020 at 12:54 pm

I am so tired of this Liberal BS at both the territorial and federal levels with its social engineering policies. The socialist Liberal mindset is to make everything about people’s race or gender while actively dividing Canadians into different categories to create division and push us apart. Generations of Canadians worked towards the principal of every Canadian being equal and working together and now these Liberal hacks are just
p———- it all away.

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