Whitehorse Daily Star

Object ‘potentially similar’ to Chinese balloon

Defence Minister Anita Anand says it’s too early to tell whether a “cylindrical object” shot down over central Yukon on Saturday was from China – even as she hinted about it being another Chinese spy balloon.

By CP on February 13, 2023

OTTAWA – Defence Minister Anita Anand says it’s too early to tell whether a “cylindrical object” shot down over central Yukon on Saturday was from China – even as she hinted about it being another Chinese spy balloon.

The remains of the object are somewhere in rugged terrain between Mayo and Dawson City.

The search continued today, and may prove to be a prolonged exercise, especially if fresh snow partially obscures the site.

Meanwhile, the Canadian Rangers have not been asked to participate in the search, the Star has learned. The RCMP are taking part.

Anand’s comments came during a hastily arranged news conference Saturday, as Canadian Armed Forces personnel worked to recover wreckage of the object after it was destroyed by an American fighter jet hours earlier.

“From all indications, this object is potentially similar to the one that was shot down off the coast of South Carolina, though smaller in size and cylindrical in nature,” Anand said in reference to the Chinese spy balloon destroyed on Feb. 4.

“That is the information that we are working with right now. But with further analysis, we will know more and be able to provide you with more details and a follow-up.”

Chief of the defence staff Gen. Wayne Eyre referred to the object as a “balloon” during the same news conference.

The object was first detected over Alaska late Friday evening, according to the Pentagon, at which point two U.S. F-22 fighter jets were scrambled to intercept, identify and track it.

That monitoring continued as it crossed into Yukon airspace on Saturday.

The North American Aerospace Defence Command publicly revealed its presence over northern Canada on Saturday afternoon.

A short time later, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced on Twitter that he had ordered it taken down.

“I ordered the take down of an unidentified object that violated Canadian airspace,” he wrote.

“(Norad) shot down the object over the Yukon. Canadian and U.S. aircraft were scrambled, and a U.S. F-22 successfully fired at the object.” Trudeau added that he had been in touch with U.S. President Joe Biden, and the Canadian Armed Forces were in the process of recovering and analyzing the wreckage.

A summary of the conversation between Biden and Trudeau released by the White House said the two leaders authorized the object be shot down “out of an abundance of caution and at the recommendation of their militaries.”

Trudeau said it was a “reasonable threat to civilian aircraft.” He said he’d since spoken with U.S. President Joe Biden about the incident and how to maintain the sovereignty of North American airspace.

At a news conference held in Whitehorse this morning, the prime minister said the situation makes Biden’s visit to Ottawa next month even more urgent.

“This is a very serious situation that we are taking very seriously,” Trudeau said, adding Canada is determined to protect North American airspace and the nation’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.

Anand said the object was flying at 40,000 feet, or about 12,000 metres, and shot down at 3:41 p.m. EST about 160 kilometres from the border with Alaska.

She added it entered Canadian airspace illegally and posed a threat to the safety of civilian flights.

The object’s appearance over central Yukon came as Trudeau – by coincidence – was preparing to attend a fundraiser in Whitehorse on Sunday evening.

“Frankly, we were concerned with getting it out of the sky,” she said.

“And that was our focus all day, and indeed in the past 24 hours. And so any further information will come with the analysis that we are doing regarding the debris.”

Premier Ranj Pillai in a statement said he had been briefed by federal ministers about the object, and reassured residents that “at no time was the safety of Yukoners at risk.

“After this day’s events, our government has been in contact with the federal government and we are tracking events as they unfold,” he said Friday.

“This past week, I met with federal representatives to discuss Arctic security, recognizing the challenges our country and territory will face in the years ahead.

“We will continue to track events and ensure Yukoners are kept informed,” the premier said.

Anand said while an American fighter jet shot down the object, two CF-18s were also heavily involved through much of its sojourn on Friday night and Saturday.

All four fighter jets were working for Norad, she added, which is a shared Canadian-American command.

“When we first started tracking this object, it was dark and we needed to make sure that we had a visual of it and so needed to wait for daylight to emerge,” she said.

“Secondly, we needed to make sure that there was infrared or missile-lock capability, and that was something that both the F-22s and the CF-18 pilots were working on together. So as I said, it was a Norad mission.”

The object is the third known to have violated North American airspace in the past two weeks, but the first whose presence has been revealed while it was flying over Canada.

A suspected Chinese spy balloon had re-entered the U.S. after flying over Alaska and parts of western Canada two weeks ago before it was publicly identified on Feb. 1.

The federal Liberal government has come under fire from opposition parties and others for not providing more information about the Chinese balloon’s time over Canada.

Members of the House of Commons defence committee voted Friday to hold hearings on the issue, which would allow for testimony from Anand and military officials.

A second object was shot down after flying into Alaskan airspace on Friday. U.S. officials have not provided any details on what it was, except to say it differed from the Chinese balloon.

The object was downed because it reportedly posed a threat to the safety of civilian flights rather than due to any knowledge that it was engaged in surveillance.

But the twin incidents in such close succession reflect heightened concerns over China’s surveillance program and public pressure on Biden to take a tough stand against it.

Yukon Party Leader Currie Dixon thanked those “who tracked and shot down the unidentified object over the Yukon on Saturday.

“This is a reminder that there are those in our armed forces and our friends with the North American Aerospace Defense Command who are standing on guard and protecting Yukoners and Canadians at all times,” Dixon said.

“With this incident, and Friday’s incident involving our Alaskan neighbours, this reaffirms the need to modernize our North Warning System, and for a fully built-out Canadian Armed Forces base in the Yukon,” he added.

“The topic of Arctic sovereignty has faded away on the national scale in recent years, and these two incidents should serve as a wake-up call.”

– With files from the Star and The Associated Press

By LEE BERTHIAUME
The Canadian Press

Comments (27)

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North_of_60 on Feb 17, 2023 at 8:38 pm

We've seen lots of conjecture from politicians trying to appear decisive, however the evidentiary facts suggest the "shoot-to-kill" military response more than likely downed an Amateur Radio Pico Balloon over Canada.
https://www.rtl-sdr.com/the-us-airforce-may-have-shot-down-an-amateur-radio-pico-balloon-over-canada/

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Groucho d'North on Feb 17, 2023 at 9:12 am

@TheHammer
No I don't call myself a veteran, but I know the English language and what the adverb potentially means, It means possibly, not positively. Synonyms include: Hypothetical, theoretically, purported and others. You appear to be confusing purpose with potentially, but I am only guessing based on your less than clear posting.

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TheHammer on Feb 16, 2023 at 11:14 am

Groucho@ No it isn’t the same. Because different is not what we are looking for with a belligerent, war like superpower. Grow up. Call yourself a veteran?

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Groucho d'North on Feb 15, 2023 at 2:26 pm

My main concern is - Why did we only hear about these balloons from the Americans? Apparently they spent days flying over Canada and nobody said anything about them.

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Inspector Clouseau on Feb 15, 2023 at 2:17 pm

It seems pretty irresponsible and incongruent to wait until daylight to get a good look at what it is, then shoot it to smithereens with a missile, and not even have a GPS stuck to it or any ancillary equipment nearby to watch its descent. The balloon over the ocean went down slowly, from the video clips I saw. You'd think they could have got a helicopter or drone in the area with coordinates to watch for where it lands. Nobody thought it would be hard to find in the mountains and forests and snow in the Yukon in February, I guess. What are we at now? Day 4 of looking?!

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Groucho d'North on Feb 15, 2023 at 10:14 am

Isn't 'potentially similar’ the same as potentially different?

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iBrian on Feb 15, 2023 at 4:02 am

@Top Gun on Feb 13, 2023 at 6:09 pm

You ever see a Canadian Base? I have, and we don’t have Missles on them. Not Trenton, not Winnepeg. Not Edmonton, Not even old 22 Wing North Bay (NORAD) Canada. Not Cold Lake, Not even when Downsview was open.

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Nathan Living on Feb 14, 2023 at 9:09 pm

Ohh No!

It may have been a research weather balloon released by the University of Alaska along the coast.

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bonanzajoe on Feb 14, 2023 at 8:25 pm

@Interested on Feb 14, 2023. Ya'll gotta be kidden right. Nuff said.

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bonanzajoe on Feb 14, 2023 at 8:22 pm

@Top Gun on Feb 13, 2023: True, thats what F18s can be armed with. But, we're talking about Canada's old and 2nd hand Australian F18s. If Canada's F18s were armed, they would have shot down the object.

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Charlie's Aunt on Feb 14, 2023 at 12:13 pm

I heard it was full of chop suey that splattered all over the area so it could soak up carbon!

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Mr Facts on Feb 14, 2023 at 9:44 am

"It's all bulls**it folks" George Carlin

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unReal on Feb 14, 2023 at 9:04 am

Me thinks a giant lawn dart could have brought down that balloon!

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Interested on Feb 14, 2023 at 6:33 am

Don't forget to ask the Tr'ondëk Hwëch'in to get their people out looking too. That's their territory, so they know it best.

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Max Mack on Feb 14, 2023 at 12:24 am

So, Trudeau is in charge of NORAD? He ordered the shoot down?
I am extremely suspicious of this claim.

But, in any case, the Chinese "spy balloon" hype has reached a fever pitch and it seems our media is willing to play along.

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Roy on Feb 13, 2023 at 8:45 pm

The same people complaining about the cost of the missile - or that this is some planned distraction - or that this is all about boosting military spending etc.,
are the exact same people who, had it not been shot down, would still be in here complaining about it.

"Why hasn't this been shot down already!? We're just letting China spy on us? What weak leadership! In my day we wouldn't stand for this provocation!"
At least you are consistent with your hypocrisy.

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bonanzajoe on Feb 13, 2023 at 8:05 pm

And then, maybe JT asked his favorite country China to send a camera to count the Cariboo herd. Well, he could of.

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Top Gun on Feb 13, 2023 at 6:09 pm

Wilf, as usual you have no clue what you’re talking about.
This was NORAD reacting. The F22 has a higher ceiling than the F18. The F22s were here first and they took the shot.

Secondly, it’s MISSLES and yes the F18s are packing. From Wikipedia:

Nine weapon/store stations (5 pylons: 1 under fuselage and 4 wing stations) carrying up to 13,700 lb (6,215 kg) of missiles, rockets, bombs, fuel tanks, and pods
2 LAU 116 on sides of fuselage: deploy AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles;
2 LAU 7 on the wing tips: deploy AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles
1 × 20 mm M61A1 Vulcan internal Gatling gun with 578 rounds, with a firing rate of 4,000 or 6,000 rounds per minute

Missiles and rockets:
Air-to-air: AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-120 AMRAAM, AIM-7 Sparrow missiles
Air-to-ground: AGM-65 Maverick missiles, CRV7 rockets
Bombs: Mk 82, Mk 83 and Mk 84 unguided bombs; Paveway GBU-10, -12, -16, -24 laser guided bombs; JDAM GPS bomb guidance kits; AGM-154 JSOW glide bombs; and most commonly GBU-49 laser and GPS guided bombs.

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John - with a J on Feb 13, 2023 at 5:37 pm

Wow, thanks Anita, but since they haven’t actually found it yet the only similar thing about this object compared to the Chinese balloon it that it was up in the air at one time. But thanks for trying.

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North_of_60 on Feb 13, 2023 at 5:07 pm

CF-18s are routinely armed with missiles and could have shot-down the object if required.
https://military-wiki.com/cf-18-hornet-still-the-backbone-of-the-canadian-air-force-until-2030-and-beyond/

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Juniper Jackson on Feb 13, 2023 at 4:12 pm

China is always up to something. They claim it is a weather balloon. It was downed somewhere. Someone gathering its sad remains?

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Jeff Bikaboom on Feb 13, 2023 at 3:47 pm

"Chief of the defence staff Gen. Wayne Eyre referred to the object as a “balloon” during the same news conference. "
Good reporting on this. Wayne Eyre calling it a balloon, after everyone else went out of there way to avoid saying what it was, was hilarious.

"With this incident, and Friday’s incident involving our Alaskan neighbours, this reaffirms the need to modernize our North Warning System, and for a fully built-out Canadian Armed Forces base in the Yukon,”

And this reveals what this is all about. Piles of money for military spending. Perhaps we can prop the economy out of recession with a new arms race to protect us all from balloons. Or it's Project Blue Beam.

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bonanzajoe on Feb 13, 2023 at 3:25 pm

Then he says, "Canada is determined to protect North American airspace and the nation’s territorial integrity and sovereignty."
With what? "two CF-18s were also heavily involved". Would they be two of the second hand junkies they bought off Australia?

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bonanzajoe on Feb 13, 2023 at 3:15 pm

@"Justin Trudeau announced on Twitter that he had ordered it taken down."
I'm sure he feels like a hero. But since he got rid of his "six guns", he had to get the Americans to do the job.

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Wilf Carter on Feb 13, 2023 at 3:06 pm

Canada does not have the equipment tonshoot down this item as our F18 do not have missals.

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JC on Feb 13, 2023 at 2:12 pm

The ratio of coverage of these balloons vs the derailment in Ohio tells you everything you need to know about media priotities

The only reality that will materialize from Balloonarama is more (US) militarism, and I can't think of something I'd rather there be less of.

A colossal waste of materials, manpower, and institutional trust, and for what? A future war with China? The so-called "West" has a contemptible foreign policy record, and contemptible aims.

I'd be bored, if not for the horror

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Politico on Feb 13, 2023 at 2:09 pm

No one believes the government, just say it was aliens and leave it at that!

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