Whitehorse Daily Star

No Raven bins would mean no P & M bins

The owner of P & M Recycling in Whitehorse made it clear today that if the Raven ReCentre closes their drop-off bins as they have pledged to do at the end of the year,

By Mark Page on August 28, 2023

The owner of P & M Recycling in Whitehorse made it clear today that if the Raven ReCentre closes their drop-off bins as they have pledged to do at the end of the year, they will follow suit – and stop accepting any drop-off recycling other than refundables.

“I just couldn’t take the volume,” P & M owner Pat McInroy told the Star.

This would leave Whitehorse residents who are not subscribed to the Whitehorse Blue Bin Recycling service without an option unless the city or territorial government steps in.

McInroy said the primary function of P & M is to be a bottle depot, a service which will continue. But they will no longer accept other products such as paper and packaging once Raven shuts their public bins.

Raven ReCentre’s management decided to shut down their drop-off bin while the territorial government develops new regulations requiring companies to pay for the recycling of products they bring into the Yukon.

Heather Ashthorn, Raven’s executive director, said last Thursday they are hoping the closure of their bins forces the city and territory governments to make sure the new regulations focus recycling collection efforts on curbside bins rather than drop-offs.

These new regulations will take about two years to implement.

Whitehorse’s solid waste services manager, Ira Webb, told the Star last week the city is working on interim solutions.

McInroy said he has been clear on his position in meetings with officials on the subject. Raven had closed their bins once years before, with problematic results for P & M.

“At no time have I ever said I’m going to continue on once Raven shuts down the public drop-off,” he said.

McInroy doubts they can get a citywide blue bin program going it time with current supply chain issues.

“I don’t know if they can get bins in time,” he said. “It’s difficult to see them getting this going by December.”

McInroy said it is just not economically viable for his business to start taking in all of Whitehorse’s recycling, even if he had the facility to do it.

Both P & M and Raven send their material down to provinces to be processed or sold on.

McInroy said they are getting way less money than they once did for this material due to COVID-related supply chain issues and China’s decision to stop importing as much recyclable material.

“This is my 24th year in business at this (downtown) location and the prices have just plummeted,” he said.

Another issue for him is trying to find workers.

“Staff has never been harder to get,” McInroy said. “Even if I could staff up … I don’t know how long I could retain staff for.”

He also cast some doubts on the new regulations in general. The new system has been talked about in the Yukon for about 10 years, he said.

“I don’t want to poo-poo it, but there is quite a bit of uncertainty right now,” he said.

Many aspects of the new regulations are still undecided, according to Yukon government environmental protection analyst Natalia Baranova, who is helping draft the new policies.

For example, it is yet to be determined how broad curbside collection efforts will be and whether existing companies will get the contracts to provide recycling services.

In the meantime, it is up to government officials at both the city and territorial level to figure out an interim plan by December, or all the non-refundable recycling that was being processed by Raven and P & M will be going to the landfill.

Comments (12)

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Nathan Living on Sep 1, 2023 at 11:44 am

Is there a place close to town where we can just dump recycling materials.

I hate the Whitehorse landfill and it's too far and costly to drive to drive out to well run landfills out of town.

Are the Sima and Copper Haul Road areas good dumping areas?

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Bill Jacobs on Aug 31, 2023 at 11:35 am

Has anyone questioned why P&M has typical private industry wages and the multiple levels of quasi govt structured Raven including communications and promotions people make closer to a govt wage?
Raven is a govt org with a public biz mask in my opinion.

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Lawrence Bredy on Aug 31, 2023 at 9:34 am

Chuck it all in the dump and light it up....ahhh the good old days!
Or pile it up and push it over the cliff in to the river...for those of you who might remember those days.

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Beaver Away on Aug 30, 2023 at 11:25 pm

If we peel away the greenwashed ideology & rhetoric, and multiple levels of political obfuscation, we're left with one inescapable question.
Does the LIBgov want to spend more tax money to bundle and ship our burnable waste to the Lower Mainland to MAYBE get used for fuel in a cement kiln, or burned to produce electricity, or more likely go into a landfill? Probably not since that won't buy them any votes in PQ & ON, besides they know the Yukon has lots of deep holes to hide garbage in, where the tourists won't see it.
Well, rather than that, many of us will continue to produce less garbage and burn any combustible waste in our wood stoves, while trying to keep warm as the LIBgov taxes drive the cost of electricity and heating fuel through the roof.
Whitehorse already has the highest inflation rate of any capitol city in Canada, so the LIBgov's crazy idea to stick the cost of recycling on the retailers will only see the costs passed over to us, and push our inflation rate even higher.

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Guncache on Aug 30, 2023 at 9:55 pm

When you buy any product that is wrapped in plastic, in any store, pay for the item, unwrap it and leave the plastic in the store

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Charlie's Aunt on Aug 30, 2023 at 3:25 pm

Almost agree with IDGAF. I have often wondered why we are supposedly recycling plastic when it is reported that only 1 in 10 items are recycled and plastic can only be recycled once. Seems to me that if we use it, we should be responsible for the disposal. Instead of it being shipped to the massive plastic dump in Texas and other places, maybe it rightly belongs in our landfill. Until the time when production of plastic containers is banned, it would be a different type of user pay.

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DRV on Aug 29, 2023 at 10:26 pm

I agree that Raven appears to be preparing to shut down entirely (although I think at first they said they'd still collect refundable bottles or something). They can't seriously think that people will be dropping by for art shows and a thrift depot. Can they?

I'm curious if the executive director was hired with a mandate to do exactly this, transition Raven Recycling towards closure. It seems to have come as a surprise to most of us.

It's a fairly ignominious end to a pretty significant enterprise that served the whole territory . Curbside pickup, I can't even with the narrowness of that ambition.

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Max Mack on Aug 29, 2023 at 10:03 pm

The back-room deals being made here make my stomach churn. The Liberals feeding their buddies at Raven, and Raven making this play as though they came up with this idea on their own.

Make no mistake, "extended producer responsibility" is code for more taxation. Local vendors will have to raise their prices to cover the added EPR tax. The resulting money raised will be gifted to Raven and others, along with funding a blue bin program that you and I will be forced to pay for through increased taxation.

I've been taking my recycling to Raven for years . . . on my own dime and on my own time. Now, I will be forced to pay somebody else to do it.

Something is afoot in Denmark,

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IDGAF on Aug 29, 2023 at 11:19 am

I throw EVERYTHING in the garbage now including refundables.

I simply stopped caring a few year back when the city said they just throw away the glass jars/bottles I had been cleaning, removing labels off for 'recycling'

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David Griffiths on Aug 29, 2023 at 10:26 am

We are going to need a bigger land fill.

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yukonlibby on Aug 29, 2023 at 10:00 am

Thomas, you are incorrect in your statement. Raven survives off of predominantly government money due to their status as a non-profit. P&M, on the other hand, is a private business and has had to foot their bills themselves. There have been things over the years that both receive, like incentives from the CoW for diverting waste from the landfill, but the majority of P&M's income comes from selling recyclables, of which the market is terrible for these days.

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Thomas Brewer on Aug 28, 2023 at 4:33 pm

considering all the government subsidies that both companies have received over the years to manage recyclables, it's pretty rotten they're now both planning on shutting down. And don't go say that Raven isn't shutting down... it's main purpose has been to collect residential recycling, so if that's not an option... it's essentially shuttered.

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