Many residents not on board with busing changes
The City of Whitehorse’s new transit plan is being greeted with a distinct lack of enthusiasm so far.
The City of Whitehorse’s new transit plan is being greeted with a distinct lack of enthusiasm so far.
Last week, the city announced its new “modern transit routes” after months of work.
The new system and routes were first to be introduced last year, around the first of July, but that was quietly put off – with no mention. The new routes will now be introduced on the coming July 1.
The modifications to some routes are substantial, particularly the #5 route that currently serves the Copper Ridge and Lobird neighbourhoods via Robert Service Way and Hamilton Boulevard.
That route has been shuffled off to serve the Whistle Bend neighbourhood now.
No city transit buses will utilize Robert Service Way under the current plan.
That means the softball fields along Robert Service will no longer be accessible to passengers, nor will the Robert Service Campground and half of the Millennium Trail.
Meanwhile, Copper Ridge will be served now only by the #2 route, which has been modified somewhat.
It will now run south on Fourth Avenue rather than sticking to Second Avenue. During peak hours, it will visit Riverdale before returning downtown to the busy stops along Second Avenue, including the hub near city hall.
That’s going to add on approximately 30 minutes for people to ride to the downtown core unless they use the Fourth Avenue stops.
For many of them, that will possibly mean crossing both Fourth and Second avenues on foot. They’re the two busiest core streets.
Whitehorse residents were quick to begin commenting on the new routes after the city put a post up on its Facebook page last week.
By Monday afternoon, more than 100 comments were visible on the subject on two different posts.
“Good job. Sounds like this will increase the desire to NOT want to rely on public transportation and instead get a car. Sucks when ‘plans’ backfire,” Marie Langenhan wrote.
“Why are the people making decisions even involved if they don’t take city transit?” asked Taylor Lachapelle.
“COW has made it loud and clear they can’t do anything right when it comes to bus routes, so leave it to the public.
“Put a poll out! Put an open discussion out and see what the PUBLIC needs. Not what government workers with comfy jobs THINK the public needs.”
A number of other people made much the same point, suggesting whoever was responsible for designing the new routes doesn’t actually use transit.
“Sounds like a petition is needed, as the ones making these decisions clearly don’t ride the transit system,” stated Samantha Snow.
Keighlan Gustus wrote, “This is a complete nightmare. I’m not sure who assumed this was a fix, but it’s not, it’s way worse and puts worse pressure on those reliant on public transit.”
Lynn Alfino commented: “I spent an hour poring over the new schedule online, and even though I am in a high-use area (Riverdale), it’s a nightmare. Drivers I have spoken to this week have told me they are so tightly timed on their routes, they are not going to have time to answer questions or help with routes.
“So I advise everyone to start now ... we have three weeks to figure out our own schedules. Figure out where you go most and focus on your own routes. Call transit for additional advice.
“As for Riverdale, I see we are going from three routes down to two, with less service between 10:30-2 p.m. when seniors are most likely to be travelling.
“COW, explain how this is improved? We’re going from service every 20 minutes to hourly?! Really?”
Susanna Wolfe really wasn’t impressed with the new schedules for Whistle Bend.
“Whistle Bend gutted further – lovely! In a housing crisis, I’m left with likely having to figure out a move.
“Not everyone drives or can afford to, but clearly we’re all supposed to, going on this announcement.
“Fund and put in reasonably affordable buildings for lower-income earners, families, the disabled, then gut bus service, brilliant.”
She continued her scathing critique by saying, “And here I was looking forward to this announcement; careful what you ask for, as you just might get it is the lesson here! Simply stunned at the ‘lack of thorough consideration.’”
Jolene Campbell wrote, “I guess people in Whistle Bend don’t need to get downtown, to the hospital, or to Riverdale. It sure sucks for teens who want to go anywhere other than the CG.”
More comments continued to flood in.
Sylvia Neschokat added, “Like the person commenting below, I also do not understand how a person wanting to take the bus from Takhini
North/Range Road (across from Takhini Elementary) would get to downtown (say, Walmart), without having to go to Whistle Bend first (if route 1 turns into route 5).
“I would appreciate if the city could please clarify, or provide contact info where I can phone and ask for clarification.
“Very odd scheduling for the Takhini neighbourhoods, which have many seniors, to now have less access (and a transfer?) to go downtown for work, groceries, banking or medical appointments.
“It’s not all about getting to Yukon College, Canada Games Centre, or Whistle Bend. If the new schedule is going to stay this way, then I would appreciate if the city would please consider opening up the HandyBus service to more seniors; thanks.”
Tracy Bruce honed in on the new Copper Ridge schedule.
“So getting to work is going to take even longer catching the Copper Ridge bus? I would have to get on the 8:08 bus at the KDFN office and make it downtown at 8:45? Looks like they just made the schedule worse!!”
Jason Bradshaw, the city’s manager of transit services, said in an interview Tuesday he is aware of the furor on social media over the changes.
“There has been a lot of confusion,” he told the Star. “We were expecting some challenges. Change is difficult for many people.
“We’re trying to get through that confusion,” Bradshaw added.
He acknowledged that considering the reaction so far, the city might have done a better job of communicating with the public.
That’s something it’s looking at right now, and considering options on how to deliver its message in a better format.
The city has been working on the new master plan for transit since 2018, Bradshaw noted.
During that work, it made repeated efforts to carry out public consultation at various levels, and the input received from those sessions was incorporated into the plan.
“We can’t control the responses, though,” Bradshaw said.
Stantec, a major consulting company, was hired to design the new routes, Bradshaw pointed out. It has provided its services to public transit all over North America, most recently in Edmonton, he added.
“This is just the first step,” Bradshaw said, adding the system would be monitored and tweaked as necessary over the next few months.
There are currently no plans to delay implementing the new routes, despite the uproar.
The current routes and system are more than 10 years old, Bradshaw said.
“We needed to look at things in a different way. We needed to find a different way of doing things.
“It has to be as cost-effective as possible,” he added. “We had to make some difficult decisions.”
Service for Lobird, Raven’s Ridge and Kopper King will change to on-request service only.
Riders from these areas can request a ride to the Canada Games Centre transfer hub, where they can then transfer to other locations.
In a news release issued last Wednesday, the city described its plans this way:
“The new schedule is intended to better meet the needs of more residents and visitors, and provide greater service frequency during peak periods. Most areas will see an increase to peak-time service, and downtown will see service as often as every 10 minutes.
“Following industry best practices, the new route network has been built to provide extra time for drivers to stay on schedule, and support operational efficiencies,” the city said.
Comments (24)
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Alfred E. Nueman on Jun 21, 2022 at 4:01 pm
"What me worry?"
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Hobo on Jun 20, 2022 at 10:59 pm
@HellOnWheels : I was going to give you a thumbs up, but when I got to "Discriminate against First Nations" I changed my mind and did nothing.
If something, I believe FNs are the privileged ones, out pacing other people.
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Groucho d'North on Jun 20, 2022 at 5:32 pm
So are COW & YG in a competition to piss the public off, or are they working in concert?
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Would-be transit user on Jun 19, 2022 at 12:22 pm
What would be idea would be EV self-driving taxis. Discounts during rush hours for those who car-pool.
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HellOnWheels on Jun 18, 2022 at 6:58 am
Yes, let us cater to the developers, sink unneeded money into places people cannot afford to live. Force people into tent communes and take away any hope of reasonable transit times.
This city is a farce- it claims grass roots and wilderness but it's leaders are more concerned with image and condos, ridiculous wages to moronic people who don't understand that they are literally pricing people OUT OF THE CITY. Out of the Yukon. Who could afford to stay here with no hope in hell of having a job, an affordable way of getting there, and a place to rent that doesn't:
Discriminate against First Nations
Discriminate against Immigrants
Discriminate against Disabled persons
Discriminate against persons with convictions
It seems like the only people that the COW idiots want living here are atrre the rich people from down south. Good job. 10 of 10 wouldn't do again.
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Throwing the environment under the bus… on Jun 17, 2022 at 11:25 am
Buses are bad for the environment. Especially with the low ridership numbers here in the Yukon:
At peak hours—with 40 riders onboard—the Berkeley researchers find that buses often look like the greenest option, producing fewer greenhouse-gas emissions than even the average train per passenger mile. At off-peak hours, a bus looks a lot worse, performing even more poorly than a gas-guzzling pickup truck.
We should reduce service times and frequencies until every bus has at least 40 passengers per stop. We should eliminate all individual modes of transportation including skateboards, bikes, and cars for example. The production and maintenance of these items are environmentally unsound.
Bring your groceries home on the bus. Buses could be equipped with roof rack services to assist you with larger government issued items such as chairs and dressers etc. Chickens, ducks, goats, and other animals can ride inside with the passengers.
Seriously though, buses primarily transport the so-called lower classes, and are therefore disequitable forms of transport reinforcing the stratified nature of Liberal democracies:
What’s more, students from low-income families, who often are already at higher risk for exposure to polluted air, are more likely to ride school buses. School children, whose growing bodies are more susceptible to harm from air pollution, experience air quality inside a diesel bus that is five times worse than outside the bus. That helps explain the studies showing that riding a diesel school bus results in lower test scores.
Buses, like math, and other western pedagogies are racist by virtue of the fact that minorities are more likely to be over represented in bus ridership statistics - Not to mention that, therefore, minorities are more likely to suffer the ill-effects of toxic diesel fumes which correspond with lower test scores… Nice stuff!
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Local man (here before the handouts) on Jun 16, 2022 at 4:09 pm
I didn’t think our silly servants.. who are there to SERVE THE PUBLIC could be any more oddly abrasive and oblivious, but I was wrong.
I encourage the many people who rely on public transit to voice their concerns to this very confused wanderer from Ontario.
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Humble Measure on Jun 16, 2022 at 3:09 pm
This reminds me of when the city spent a fortune on a consultant who came up with a shampoo bottle horse logo to replace the boat.
Make enough noise, and hopefully they will realize they really messed this one up too.
Also, Bradshaw sounds pretty patronizing in this article. Hopefully he's a better listener than he sounds.
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Mitch on Jun 16, 2022 at 1:45 pm
By the way, ask an Edmontonian about their transit woes, they've been on the news all year.
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Nathan Living on Jun 16, 2022 at 1:32 pm
Whether it's busing, trails or most other issues, it seems the City does not meet the expectations of people who want Whitehorse to be better place to live.
It's sad really, administration staff will develop master plans and high level virtue signaling which they then ignore and council seems to always let things slide without stopping the nonsense.
This has to be the worst Mayor and council ever, voters made a tremendous mistake electing a circus act.
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Jeff Donaldson on Jun 16, 2022 at 1:03 pm
Oh ya hey Yukon think about this…..
Being an ex EMS volunteer did you know ambulance trips are free here in your great Yukon?
Imagine if you were charging just 70 bucks folks.
Ya just 70 bucks.
Times that by over 9000 EMS calls just in Whitehorse alone last year.
You do the math!
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Mitch Holder on Jun 16, 2022 at 10:26 am
We need to keep pressure on the idiots, they are forcing people into public transit use and compromising public transit. That schedule will not work for anyone, it is horrendous in it's inefficacy and contrary to popular belief down at inclusion-friends HQ, people are not resistant to change, they are resistant to stupidity. I just wrote city hall and I was not formal, if this will effect you, I encourage you to do the same.
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Mitch Holder on Jun 16, 2022 at 10:08 am
"He acknowledged that considering the reaction so far, the city might have done a better job of communicating with the public."
Nope, he (and his civically challenged minions) made a dumpster fire out of bus scheduling, not a matter of communicating that better. Better communication would be, "We are sorry we didn't listen, we suck, we messed up, we will fix the bus routes." PERIOD. Change is hard for people? Not changing things that work is hard for Liberal control freaks and you losers are on your way out.
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Vicky on Jun 16, 2022 at 9:55 am
Porter Creek needs to keep the Express bus going. We rely on this bus to get downtown at a convenient timely manner to get to work.
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CJ2 on Jun 15, 2022 at 11:31 pm
Why is the gas tax money used for anything but transit? Wasn't the new City Hall going to use some of that money?
In my limited experience with transit, it seems like it would mostly work if you're doing exactly the same thing every day (going to a workplace, for example) between the hours it runs.
They haven't even begun talking about kiss 'n ride and that sort of thing. And one thing that came through clearly in the missing and murdered report was that transportation is an issue. Yet here they are slashing neighbourhoods from the service. If they are free to make a decision like that, they're not offering "public" transit. It's a boutique service.
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Fritz Andre on Jun 15, 2022 at 9:51 pm
I know of people who take the Lobird bus #5 and get out at the intersection on top of Robert Service Way. From there they walk to nearby locals like Squatters Row etc, or they hitchhike to areas further south. I'm in this group, I live in McRae. This is not only inconvenient it's infuriating. To say it's a communication problem is absurd. The city will keep the changes and ignore our voices. That, in my opinion, is where the communication breaks down.
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bonanzajoe on Jun 15, 2022 at 8:41 pm
Sounds like another example of "If it ain't broke, the liberals will fix it till it is".
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Jeff Donaldson on Jun 15, 2022 at 7:17 pm
I am SOOOO GLAD I am leaving this STUPID place full of Fools and their great ideas.
Anywhere else in Canada, you would not survive and that is why you are here!
Good luck Yukon! Real Hard times are coming!
I will be on my 160 acres shooting Moose off my back porch….
Bah hahahah!!!
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Daphne on Jun 15, 2022 at 7:12 pm
This change is going to make it so hard for all the Yukoners we are not Vancouver.
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Nell Fenwick on Jun 15, 2022 at 6:08 pm
Weekdays there are four buses (2,3, 5 and 6) serving neighbourhoods off of Hamilton Boulevard. Come July 1 there will be one. It makes sense to have a hub at the CGC and have the 2 bus run every half-hour instead of every hour, but there won't be enough room on that bus once schools restart. It would also be helpful if the first bus ran from the CGC at 6:30 am instead of 7:00 am.
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Reality Check on Jun 15, 2022 at 5:07 pm
WOW! And I thought the old system was complicated and old...
But the new one is absolutely weird and totally confusing.
Maybe hire a "real" transit guy who can work on it.
Not one with 20 master's degrees as an environmental counselor or a former care aide, better somebody who actually worked for years in the field, maybe started as a driver...
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Geoff Capp on Jun 15, 2022 at 3:54 pm
Fight it for all you have, if you don't like it. We got it here in Lethbridge, and though nobody I've talked to has said anyone they talked to liked it, city council voted to keep it in the new format. Don't let them implement or you'll be stuck with it!!!
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Daphne on Jun 15, 2022 at 3:52 pm
How are we going to get use to that it is so wrong. How am I going to get to work I travel on the bus everyday - they all think about themselves saying it is for visitors, well we are Yukoners
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Mitch Holder on Jun 15, 2022 at 3:07 pm
“Following industry best practices, the new route network has been built to provide extra time for drivers to stay on schedule, and support operational efficiencies,” the city said.
Oh, that must be why when I go down south to where we buy our busses from, less demand areas use shuttles. You are dangerously stupid ignorant goofs. If you want to govern this way, why don't you just burn this city down and start over the way you want it to be? You clearly have no intention or capability of leading or doing your jobs with the same resources and means as anyone else, no, you are special people, included in everything we never asked you to be and conspicuously absent on everything we expect.
Who is this idiot that came up with this plan and when can I expect to meet them on transit? Oh, they don't use transit? Figures, sound Liberal to anyone else? Operation efficiencies my a**, show us the documented bar you are setting this standard to.
In Vancouver, for 2.50 I can travel for an hour and a half with a free transfer home, every 15 minutes, almost 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, pretty much all year. In Whitehorse, I get free transit that is late every single time because all you can come up with is shortchanging us and calling it progress. How about to hell with a single other vanity project in this territory until all basic needs are met? Seriously, you can't even handle a bus schedule, who the hell thought it was a good idea to elect these people? Special voters, for special people.
And remember, I am only one of scores who would be happy to provide you their opinion.