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PROTESTING FOR CHANGE – Carcross-Tagish First Nation member Harold Gatensby declares his grievances against the First Nation's leadership outside its government offices Wednesday afternoon. Protesters barricaded the building on Tuesday morning. The two sides reached a deal this afternoon and the protesters removed the chains from the doors. Below Mark Wedge, Larry Bennett and Albert James.

‘I'm tired of living under a dictatorship'

Members of the Carcross-Tagish First Nation who barricaded the aboriginal government's offices on Tuesday say they are fed up with the chief and council and want changes to their clan system.

By Jason Unrau on January 6, 2011

CARCROSS – Members of the Carcross-Tagish First Nation who barricaded the aboriginal government's offices on Tuesday say they are fed up with the chief and council and want changes to their clan system.

"We haven't had an election for 15 years in this community,” said Harold Gatensby, one of approximately 20 protesters who stood outside the chained entrance of Carcross-Tagish Government Office Wednesday.

"Any place else, they wouldn't call that any kind of a governance system. There's a name for that and it's not a pretty one.”

Albert James, a 67-year-old Carcross-Tagish elder, also has problems with the clan system the First Nation's membership voted to adopt during the land claims negotiation process which began in the late 1990s.

"We have no say in who leads us. They go into a little room, they come out and say, ‘This is your chief,”' James told the Star. "The ordinary people out here have nothing to say about that.

"Now if that's a human rights issue, maybe we should follow that human rights issue and start dealing with it that way because I know our human rights are being violated by this system.”

The First Nation's land claim was signed in 2003 and ratified in 2005. According the clan governance system, Carcross-Tagish's chief is appointed by a hierarchy of clan leaders.

Reappointed in 2007, Mark Wedge is currently in his second four-year mandate as Carcross-Tagish's chief under the clan system.

But the complaints among the Carcross-Tagish membership who chained the First Nation's office doors shut go beyond how chief and council are established.

Larry Barrett, a 65-year-old semi-retired heavy equipment contractor, said the Carcross-Tagish refused to make repairs on his home, so the White River First Nation – where his wife was a member until she passed away – stepped in to do the work.

"The stove and everything is in there, but then my wife died last January and they stopped work on the house because my wife belonged to that band and I don't,” said Barrett, whose predicament offered a window into the convoluted politics of a territory balkanized by the modern-day land claim.

"So my house is actually sitting worse now than it was. Why does a small band like Beaver Creek have to come and help a First Nation (person) in Carcross here when my band is here?” asked Barrett, who bristled at the suggestion he could afford to do it without Carcross-Tagish's assistance.

"Sure, I've got heavy equipment and I've got some of it working. But it's not whether or not I have the money to do it,” he said. "But it's stuff that if land claims never got signed, Indian Affairs would done it for us anyways.”

And Natasha Smith, a 33-year-old protester and mother of four children, told a similar story.

"We didn't have any heat in my late grandfather's house in Tagish whatsoever for three months of the winter; ... we had no oven but one working burner with a fan on it,” Smith said.

"And I went to Mark (Wedge), begging and pleading for him to help me with this and he basically said, ‘there's nothing I can do.'”

At a subsequent Transitional Employment Program, Smith recalled Wedge claiming he would "never let his people freeze.”

"So when I stood up and asked him about what happened when I asked for help, he said that I ‘fell through the cracks,'” said Smith, who has since been moved to a home owned by the First Nation in Carcross where she now pays rent.

Shortly after 5 p.m. Wednesday, Wedge and the Carcross-Tagish's executive council visited the protesters and attempted to break the impasse.

Gatensby demanded that the electoral system be reintroduced.

"I'm tired of living under a dictatorship,” he declared. "I'm tired of not having a voice.”

While Wedge offered those barricading his office a general assembly to address matters such as electoral reform in four weeks, several protesters around the small fire burning in front of the building wanted that assembly to take place today.

But Wedge said it would be impossible to organize such a gathering in fewer than 24 hours.

"Holding a general assembly takes time and we can't do these things overnight,” Wedge explained.

"We agree with you that we need to have a process to have this dialogue with the community, but the broader community needs to be involved as well, all 840 members.”

More than half of Carcross-Tagish members live outside of the First Nation's traditional territory and Wedge said they must be informed of a general assembly to give them an opportunity to participate.

The brief meeting between the chief and his detractors broke up approximately 15 minutes later, after Wedge agreed to draw up a resolution mandating a general assembly and a working group to hash out what issues would be addressed.

As of 12:30 p.m. today, protesters and Wedge and his executive council reached an agreement, and according to Donnie Smith – one of the more vocal protesters at Wednesday evening's meeting with the chief – the blockade will be lifted later this afternoon.

"We agreed to meet with a working group and agreed to meet with the executive council to work towards a change ... in the election system, and many other issues,” Smith said.

The deal between the two sides will also include a general assembly, to take place no later than Feb. 10.

In a brief interview with the Star after the fireside meeting broke up Wednesday night, Wedge acknowledged that his community had not conducted a popular vote for its chief and council for "about 15 years,” but defended the current clan system.

"You're hearing some of the voices that they feel they're not being heard. But what you also have to recognize is that when we were under the band election system, is that the majority of the people weren't heard,” Wedge said.

"When the clan system became involved, we had more involvement from the community. Many people came to me and said they feel that they are now more represented because they have a clan system.

"So this is a perspective ... sometimes democracy isn't about going with what I want. It's about what the whole wants. We can't exclude people from the process.”

Wedge also responded to media reports on Tuesday that suggested the impetus for the protest was due to the First Nation cutting social assistance to some of its members.

"We have offered people jobs and if they have refused jobs, yes we have not paid them social assistance,” said Wedge, who described the measure as part of a wholesale change in the way the Carcross-Tagish conducts its affairs.

"Because they are capable of working, they are capable of earning an income, and if they refuse to earn that income, then all of the people of the First Nation shouldn't suffer because of that.”

But Bobbie Bayne, a 40-year-old unemployed member of Carcross-Tagish who led the barricade and 2 1/2-day protest, said the media had everything "all mixed up about why we are doing this.

"Yesterday I heard on the radio that we're doing this because we don't have any social assistance money. It's not about the SA money. The people want change now,” said Bayne.

"We want to see change in leadership; we want to see change in the way our band is being managed.

"This was a long time coming and I figured to myself, if we go into the new year, then we might as well start by trying to get change in our band. It hasn't been working for years now.”

Comments (19)

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billythebopper on Jan 10, 2011 at 8:45 am

Thank you for clarifying the issue of the protest, a change of Government.

When someone uses the word 'outsiders' as a cause for the unemployment of FN members, that is called scapegoating.

Something that dictators do. The outsiders are Canadian citizens who have the right to work anywhere in Canada. Just like you Phil. This scapegoating embraces the larger community and is divisive and negative. And it suggests that if Harold was elected into a new system of Govt, he would deal with the outsiders to solve the employment problem. Outsiders are human beings and friends, so you should address your people bashing comments to your brother, and examine your own personal history and try walking the talk.

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Phillip Gatensby on Jan 10, 2011 at 4:10 am

I am grateful to have a forum to speak about the blockade in Carcross. My name is Phillip Gatensby. I was born and raised in Carcross, and am now an Elder. At the moment I stay in Whitehorse.

I am using my real name because my intent is honest and straight forward. I believe that to go around verbally bashing anybody will be of no help to this or any situation. As I read the comments in the newspapers and internet blogs I have to wonder what would be the motivation of the ones doing the bashing and why don't they use their real names and not hide behind anonymity. If the negative things they say are true, then what would they be hoping to achieve by doing this. It's discouraging to see and hear that even some Elders are caught up in the denigrating of their own people. I heard someone say once that people should watch what comes out of their mouths because their children and grandchildren will wear their words. Our words have the power to heal or hurt…..the choice is ours.

Also one has to consider the desperation of a people to set a blockade and sit outside in the middle of a Yukon winter.

On the second day of the blockade I went to an Elders meeting in Carcross and on the same day spent time with the people at the blockade to hear their concerns. What was said to me was that the blockade wasn't about welfare or jobs specifically. What the people there said was that there were many reasons for creating this blockade, however, that the main reason for the blockade (as far as I can tell) was to bring attention to the present situation within the leadership and the process of how the leadership is selected, about creating transparently and accountability, and their belief that their voice was not being heard by the leadership. Basically, that there needed to be some major changes in some areas. Now as the chief said in a newspaper article, there is bound to be some resistance to change. (from everyone)

Ultimately we need to work together if we are to create a better world for the future of our children and our people.

In the Spirit of Wellness

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somewho is in the know on Jan 10, 2011 at 4:03 am

This is a comment to "CTFN Member". It's interesting that you should say " arm yourself with the correct information before you lose face in front of your fellow members." Here's a fact you can arm yourself with. Harold and Mark were never business partners, they did some work together in the past. The present situation in the CTFN leadership (dictatorship) may be why they no longer work together.

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someone who is in the know on Jan 10, 2011 at 3:52 am

in reference to ctfn members comment. It's interesting that you should write "get your facts straight". Here's a little heads up, Harold and Mar

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billythebopper on Jan 8, 2011 at 6:58 am

Ctfn Member,

you have missed the point; they are both dictators.

Both of them are sons of immigrants.

Harold is not Carcross Tagish people.

Mark is descended from Carcross Tagish Chiefs.

"Outsiders" (Comment made by Harold & reported by CBC news on line) = Us and Them = Opposition = Conflict =

We are all related, and I'm a healer! Bizarre!

"We know the answer lies within the community." Comment by Mark at a conference on healing. Video available on line.

"I pleaded with him for help, he said "there's nothing I can do."

Bizarre!

The community needs help and healing and there are many good people in the nation.

The terrible news of investing in the Tar Sands should be the sign that the leaders are not responsible and are not who they profess to be. They are part of the problem and there is no one to set them straight.

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Ctfn Member on Jan 7, 2011 at 4:05 pm

As a CTFN member I'm interested in knowing why Harold chose to be a business partner and friend with Mark Wedge if he's such an awful dictator? I'm guessing Mark took a serious paycut to work for his people as Chief I guess that's why Harold is so upset.

If those misinformed members did their research they would see that every employee of the First Nation makes far less than equal positions in other governments. A chiefs wage generally equates to that of a Director in Yukon Government...so sad but so true! Be the change people and arm yourself with the correct information before you lose face in front of your fellow members.

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Beverly Sembsmoen on Jan 7, 2011 at 12:12 pm

There are a lot of issues C/TFN has to deal with as a Yukon First Nation with a Treaty and Self government Agreement and issues such as standards, programs and services, and trusts will come up again. I hope, as time goes on, that we will be able to dialogue with each other as honoured human beings like our ancestors did. We have had Agreements with Canada and Yukon for almost 5 years; to expect perfection at this point is not realistic for any government or people.

I applaud the majority of our people involved for dealing with this situation in a much healthier way than we did in the 'ugly 80's'. Despite hurtful language being used recently, community leaders have worked towards a community-based solution. The doors were opened to our public and staff yesterday afternoon.

I'm proud of the fact that the RCMP was not called to 'fix' the situation for us. I consider it another sign of growth of our people.

I'd like to thank all of my fellow citizens for the healthy dialogue in their homes, at the fire, at the Executive Council/Management Board/Staff retreat, online and in person. Dialogue is exactly what is needed because without dialogue there is no change. Change is what we need in order to progress as healthy people. No change goes without its troubles and history shows us the truth of that.

I believe everyone wants the same thing... to do what is best for our people. I am looking forward to our upcoming General Assembly because I believe the commonalities are greater than the differences. It's a fact that communication with members has not been an administrative priority. Our appointed leadership has been working on many of the issues mentioned and had actually scheduled our first two work days in January as a training period on the priority action items falling out of General Council direction. My belief is that we all have something to offer and I hope all of our members in Yukon will attend.

As a CTFN member, I'd like to ask if you would not yell at me, swear at me, or otherwise disrespect me. I ask that you hear me as I too have something to say. I will be doing the same for you. That is all anyone of us can ask of each other. The DIALOGUE will go better if we respect what each of us bring.

Gunalchise and may Creator bless you, your home, your family, and your clan, thereby blessing our Nation.

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billythebopper on Jan 7, 2011 at 8:26 am

Who pays for the Self Government? does it come out of the $50 million cash settlement, or is it a separate provision payed by the Federal Govt as an annual budget?

Two people in that Govt earn almost $200,000 between them.

Cutting SA is not about anything but saving money.

Traditional Democracy, no it's a Traditional Aristocracy. Traditionally a man's wealth was based on what he gave away and not what he hoarded. There is nothing traditional about this set up. SA before land claims, after land claims Members bumming rides and money. Where is their Land Claim cash after selling their aboriginal rights and title. The main Land Claim beneficiary is the highest payed person in the Self Government.

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Nother Member on Jan 7, 2011 at 7:15 am

Judging by some of the comments here, the supporters of the chief and executive council and the chief himself are already trying to put their spin on the news story. This issue is not about social assistance (SA) but about other issues that have been simmering for several years and this latest breach (social assistance) is just the tipping point. A partial list of the issues include a lack of communication with members, lack of transparency, lack of accountability, hiring practises, to name a few.

I find it a little amusing that it was alright for the Carcross/Tagish First Nation to blockade roads in the past but it is not alright to blockade their offices. It is alright to do it to others but don't do it to us.

Mark Wedge says, "So this is a perspective ... sometimes democracy isn't about going with what I want. It's about what the whole wants. We can't exclude people from the process.”

The results of the first land claims vote in April 2004 showed that the "whole wanted” to reject the land claims offer. Then the chief and executive council decided to do "what I/we want” and hold another vote, changing the rules to ensure the outcome of the second vote was what they wanted. Sounds like democracy to me. Of course they will tell you that they held a general assembly (GA) and that is what the members wanted. Was the broader community involved in that GA? Were all 840 members consulted? Sounds a little hypocritical for the chief to be talking about democracy.

According to Wikipedia one of the meanings of dictatorship is, "A government controlled by one person, or a small group of people. In this form of government the power rests entirely on the person or group of people, and can be obtained by force or by inheritance. The dictator(s) may also take away much of its peoples' freedom.”

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dmg on Jan 7, 2011 at 5:54 am

I am a ctfn member and I gave up years ago on trying to get any sort of help or support from ctfn. It is all a "where you live and who your related to" mentality. I was a single parent who needed some minor home repairs and approached my band to see if they could help, I was told flat out no because I lived in Whse.

I think that is discriminating and ridiculous, if I lived in carcross or tagish I guess I would be worthy of assistance. I have never asked for anything until or since then from my band.

I think the band should have an election and vote someone in who cares for ALL ctfn members and not just the ones who live in Carcross. I support the people who want a positive change but think there is a better way than locking the doors as the employees are still getting paid regardless. A strong UNITED voice needs to be brought to the next GA and hopefully the members can work out a solution for ALL involved.

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Northern Tutchone Native on Jan 7, 2011 at 4:41 am

It is very sad to hear that other members from other First Nations suffer - as we do.

There is only few people with authority to decide our fate and use the monies collected from the count of our heads to do so.

If those few people decide that they would help only their families and supporters, that's the way it is.

I have heard the words many times "There is nothing I can do, or it's the first time I heard about it and then do nothing".

Yet, they want to count our heads.

Yes, if it were DIA, then they stick to regular and specific guidelines - sometimes you can fall through the cracks but at least, you are not discriminated against because of which family you belong to.

We signed land claims to become self-sufficient. Only thing, self-sufficient is for the ones that grab the power and positions of authority for decision-making and delegation of who-gets-what!

I'm sorry, but I hope the very best to your First Nation and seen the same at our First Nation.

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censored on Jan 7, 2011 at 4:14 am

Just checking if this post will get posted. My last one hasn't.

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Lika a River on Jan 7, 2011 at 4:13 am

I am also a member of CTFN, and I have been employed by CTFN in the past. I have to say that I am proud of the people of Carx, the 'grass roots' voice is standing and creating a united voice something that has been missing for quite sometime on all levels within our community. I have known all involved all my life. This is not about Social Assistance, this is about frustration of not being heard. This is a direct reaction of a broke $ First Nation. For a place with a low economy it is asking a lot of the community to deny access to a service that is a Human right. This is not about who is lazy and who is not. This is about a transparent environment for 7 generations in front of us. I call a forensic audit of the entire First Nation. Just for an example: The Government of CTFN has invested in the Tar Sands....ya The tar sands. Last time I checked we were stewards of the lands. If you look at our mission statement the First line says to protect the environment. Well is it just our environment that we are protecting? The Tar Sands are on someone else's traditional territory. Before we invested in the "DIRTY" maybe we could have checked in to our morals before making that decision. I would like to know who, what, where, when , how, and why the First Nation is making such a drastic cut in the communities Human Right to access a community service. Making this drastic change and having labour workers within the community does not help those people, it's humiliating and demoting. Have some respect for people, and how about consideration? Simple human values....crazy how flying all the way to ROCA to learn values that already exist in side of us. Everyone on this planet has them. I wonder how much that cost... I look forward to the coming G.A...Keep in mind that the Youth are watching...and so are the children. Remember who you are and remember your decisions that you make affect everyone around you.

All my relations.

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just rantin on Jan 7, 2011 at 12:31 am

I'm a member of the Carcross Tagish first nations, and from my perspective, shutting offices down to get things done just doesn't make sense to me. why don't we ask Harold about his business partner who had to leave him when he was to become chief, leaving Harold without... now his ex-partner is a dictator?! why would it make any sense to pay people to do nothing, when they are clearly able, and they have even been offered jobs. hearing about the protest just makes me laugh, i don't think someone who sits at home doing nothing realizes just what kind of changes are needed when the rest of us are "bustin our butts" seeing what's going on from somewhere other than our couches... stirring the pot with a fire that is going to leave a visible scar on the land in front of the first nations office for some time to come just isn't worth it, get off your butts and like mahatma gandhi said, "you must be the change you wish to see in the world.". maybe some of these protesters are bitter about the social assistance getting cut off, but that's no reason to have shut down offices.

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Anthony on Jan 6, 2011 at 1:49 pm

Self government ain't all it's cracked up to be.

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Stella on Jan 6, 2011 at 12:09 pm

Well if the welfare system doesn't work you could always get a job.

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jason smith on Jan 6, 2011 at 11:14 am

Perhaps if band members with more credibility and not just those with a loud voice were the face of this protest there would be some support.

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bedrock billy on Jan 6, 2011 at 10:02 am

Its called "BANANA REPUBLIC"!

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snow canoe on Jan 6, 2011 at 9:22 am

This is small town theatrics at its worse. I see people who once had power in their community (Harold, Larry & Albert) trying to get it back through this embarrassing charade. If they have honest concerns then take them before a Chief & Council meeting. If that's not effective take it to the First Nation's General Assembly. Talk it out rationally.. like grown-ups.

This "protest" smacks of self-promotion and nothing more.

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