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EXPLOITING THE GALES – Nearly $30 million will be spent to develop another wind power project on Haeckel Hill (seen here in June 2021), it was announced today.
Four more turbines set for Haeckel Hill
Another wind power project is coming to Haeckel Hill.
Another wind power project is coming to Haeckel Hill.
Nearly $30 million will be spent on the project, said a joint announcement made this morning by federal, territorial and Yukon First Nations officials.
“Through this project, four modern wind turbines will be installed on Haeckel Hill in Whitehorse,” the statement said.
“Energy generated through these turbines will feed in the Yukon’s energy grid, making this the first grid-connected wind project in northern Canada.
“Work is already underway, and construction is expected to be completed in November 2023. It is anticipated that these turbines will generate enough electricity to power up to 650 homes over their 20-plus year lifespan.”
That means they can replace the equivalent of more than 40 million litres of diesel fuel, which offsets up to 115,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions.
“It is also expected that these turbines will be able to feed energy into the grid throughout the winter, when demand for energy is at its highest peak in the territory,” the statement said.
The federal government is investing more than $13 million in the project through the Arctic Energy Fund, $8 million through the Clean Energy for Rural and Remote Communities (CERRC), and nearly $5 million through the Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency (CanNor).
The Eagle Hill Energy Limited Partnership (fully owned by the Kwanlin Dün First Nation’s development corporation, Chu Níikwän LP) is investing more than $2 million in the venture.
The Yukon Development Corp. (YDC) is contributing $485,000.
“Yukoners are all too aware of the effects of climate change,” said Yukon MP Brendan Hanley, speaking on behalf of Dominic LeBlanc, the federal minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Infrastructure and Communities.
“As Yukon continues to welcome more residents and businesses, we need to grow our energy mix while simultaneously reducing our GHG emissions,” Hanley said.
“These new wind turbines, which will connect to Yukon’s energy grid, will enhance the grid’s ability to meet peak winter electricity demand while reducing our reliance on diesel.”
Kwanlin Dun Chief Doris Bill said “Chu Níikwän LP’s investment in renewable energy is an investment in the future health of our lands, our resources and our people.
“By being involved in projects like this on our traditional territory through our development corporation, Kwanlin Dün First Nation is realizing and activating the potential for economic development that was laid out in Chapter 22 of our Final Agreement,” she pointed out.
“Last winter’s cold snap saw record electrical demand in the Yukon, and that demand will only increase in the future. We’re proud to be a part of improving energy security for all Yukoners.”
John Streicker, the minister responsible for the YDC, added, “The Haeckel Hill Wind Project is an important step towards transitioning the Yukon to more renewable energy and reducing our emissions to meet our targets in the Our Clean Future strategy.
“Our government is proud of the early investments in the project through the Yukon Innovative Renewable Energy Initiative and the Arctic Energy Fund.”
The project “demonstrates what can be accomplished when communities, First Nations, federal and territorial governments come together to create a greener future,” Streicker said.
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Comments (50)
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Mitch Holder on May 5, 2022 at 1:48 pm
@ Groucho - nail on the head my friend! Can we use biomass fuels to heat old government facilities is a fancy way of saying if we dust out the boilers, will they still burn wood or would they be too offended by wood in our day and age? Judging by the pricing for wood cordage, that didn't pan out. But hey, this is the same government that wasted 144k dollars trying to build an ice-bridge in Dawson by spraying an open face river with water...
Two drunks with a chainsaw surpassed the liberal effort and succeeded where they failed. Is anyone surprised at that, that is from here?
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Groucho d'North on May 3, 2022 at 10:43 pm
@Mitch Holder
Your comments on 'biomass' stimulated a memory of the MacDonald NDP government back in the 2007-ish era. They formed three commissons to study and recomend policy and project options for Energy, Forestry and Environment I think. Many of the topics being discussed today were studied back then and I recall there were some significant publications noting their work. Seems a lot of that grass is being chewed again. Other than consuming budgets, I wonder what new and improved information is to be discovered?
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Biofuels on May 3, 2022 at 5:26 pm
Yes, firewood is Biomass energy. However, Biomass energy is much more than just firewood. Anything that grows and is used for fuel is Biomass energy.
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Mitch Holder on May 3, 2022 at 3:32 pm
More e-gallows for the whole town to see. Shame we have no failures to display from them....
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Mitch Holder on May 3, 2022 at 12:45 pm
Biomass energy is a fancy term for firewood. It took the government thousands of dollars and many months of study to determine this. I think that says all it needs to say. Charge me a penny for this and I bet they fall down sooner than expected.
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North_of_60 on May 2, 2022 at 8:53 pm
This is money wasted to satisfy political whims and erect symbolic "Green Crosses" on the ridge above town. Wind power projects are designed to harvest government subsidies, not usable energy.
It makes far more sense to spend that 30 Million on building a transmission line to Atlin where a surplus of long lasting renewable hydro is being developed.
The Atlin Hydro Expansion Project project will expand the infrastructure and power production capacity on Pine Creek from 2.1 MW to approximately 10 MW. The additional energy generated would be exported entirely to Yukon to meet a shortfall in clean energy production needs in the territory in winter. To accomplish this increase in production, the storage range of the reservoir (Surprise Lake) will be increased by 0.9 m, and two new powerhouses will be developed using the controlled flows of Pine Creek.
https://thelp.ca/atlin-hydro-expansion-project-overview/
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Pierre on May 2, 2022 at 7:42 pm
@wherner Rhein…holy bud, I think your sauerkraut is a little off. China going renewable now that’s funny stuff.
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Paul Harach on May 1, 2022 at 10:43 pm
Arnold
Your numbers are completely out to lunch, factually and also for several other reasons that you have little to no understanding of.
Here is a link to the California energy grid that clearly shows the maximum renewable energy available is 33.09%. This does not mean it is available 24/7 like hydro or natural gas fired generation is (BTW natural gas is the largest part of the California grid at 37%); and it is less than half of the 70% you claim.
https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/california-electricity-data/2020-total-system-electric-generation
The second reason is much harder for people to understand and has to do with our 61 degree latitude. If a person was to draw a straight line through the atmosphere at noon from the equator on March 20, (the Spring or Vernal Equinox) the atmosphere would be approximately 100 kilometres thick. In Whitehorse on the same day with the Sun at a maximum inclination of 29 degrees altitude and drawing the same line directly towards the sun the same atmosphere appears to be over 200 kilometres thick (the Trigonometry here gets quite complicated due to the calculation on a radius) . That extra thick atmosphere does a great job of filtering out the available sunlight when compared to areas South of here and near the Equator. Ok still with me? Even with a solar panel pointed 61 degrees vertical for maximum absorption (37 degrees in the Summer), multiple website searches on Google will tell you that a solar panel in Whitehorse at 61 degrees latitude will only be 43-47% as efficient as a panel than can absorb 100% of the Suns rays at or near the Equator. Calculate panel efficiency on top of this 16-23% from the cheap to the expensive (let’s use 20%) and a solar panel installed in the North becomes about 9% efficient. That is just a fact period.
The only places in the Yukon that justify any type of public solar investment are areas that are completely off the Whitehorse Aishihik Mayo power grid; as the solar input completely offsets thermal generation such as the system in Old Crow.
Even with our long Summer days, the maximum altitude of the Sun in Whitehorse is never more than 53 degrees altitude at Solar noon on June 21. The 50% loss of generating capability, combined with line loss to send this power 500 kilometres to the Red Chris substation near Iskut BC (the closest grid connection to the Whitehorse Aishihik Mayo grid) would guarantee failure of this idea with the technology that exists today.
With the failures of the existing windmills (Yukon Energy took the first one down a few years ago and gave it away), it is quite obvious that wind power will still be an uphill battle with our freezing temperatures, rime ice and frosty mountain top conditions. I have been told “at times it takes more power to thaw the blades than these wind turbines are capable of producing”.
This project will end up being another flop of government investment. I guess they don’t really have to care because they print or invent one out of every two dollars they have spent in the past two years at the Federal level. Do you remember a few years ago when a similar proposal came out to put solar power on Haekall Hill. After the Yukon Government came out with the Power Purchase Agreement for Solar power and micro hydro, which did not include the generous Ontario like subsidies that idea seemed to go by the wayside.
Lastly, if the Government who is funding approximately 90% of this infrastructure really wanted to make a difference, they would simply move this project to Watson Lake, Burwash, or Beaver Creek (communities off the grid).
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Simon on May 1, 2022 at 4:42 pm
If the number of homes is true, that’s $46000+ per dwelling. If costs overrun like the Yukon is known for, probably add another $10000 per dwelling. Sound s pricey. I see costs of power going up. Just saying.
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North_of_60 on May 1, 2022 at 4:14 pm
Wind and solar producers get paid an inflated rate for their power as if it was displacing expensive diesel. However wind and solar mostly produce electricity when there is adequate hydro to meet our needs. LIBgov policy says Wind and Solar power must be used when available. This means wind and solar electricity is paid a premium rate while YE has to spill water at the dams. YE is guaranteed a profit, so guess who pays for buying wind and solar power when hydro can generate the same amount for half the cost? This is reflected in the so-called "riders" that double our electric bills. The people who voted LIB\NDP support these ridiculous energy policies and are directly responsible for our high electric bills.
Of course they claim it's to save us from the GlowBull Warming their computer models tell us is happening. I'm looking out at a yard still covered with snow. Has anyone else seen this fictional warming they use to rob us blind? The real world data clearly show that there has been no net warming since 1998 and the earth has actually been cooling since 2016.
We're being played, and it's time for that to stop.
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Werner Rhein on May 1, 2022 at 1:41 pm
What kind of Bison Dung is all this negativity about renewables, especially free renewable energy.
Where does all this negative education come from, by daily reading Trump's Twitter messages?
When was the last time that all you naysayers were reading a real scientific paper that was peer-reviewed about renewable energy?
Just reading your information from Environmental Criminals how good your investment in fossil fuels is doing, doesn’t give you any real education, does it?
To the ones who live in the Yukon for a long, how much flooding was there 20 years ago, how much snow did we get 15 years ago, and how much rain did we get 25 years ago? And you can’t see any change in Climate. Sure you can not because the most important things in your life are the result of gladiator games. That is education.
Have you naysayers heard, or read if you can read, that wind power in the US of A has produced more electricity than all their nuclear powerplants combined. And that is with all the negativity Trump is blowing in the wind to stop the wind turbines from turning.
I’m sure you won’t know that China is producing more electricity from renewable energy than the rest of the world combined, and with that is in the 57th rank in this world with producing CO2 per capita.
Canada is holding the 14th rank and the USA the 13th. The oil-producing Arab states hold the top ranks.
But what really boggles my mind is why are we not using wood gasification, an over 200 years old technology first used to make city gas from coal. We have all the biomass we need to make electricity by the way of gasification. It would be the perfect link between the intermittent electricity producers solar and wind.
The feedstock would come from the overaged forest to prevent large forest fires, from forest burned trees, which still contain enough energy when chipped up to be used in gasification, and mostly from the most important task of fire smarting around our houses and communities.
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Bingo on May 1, 2022 at 11:57 am
@Arnold….those statistics remind me of Yukon Energy’s “live data” where, in mid January, they are producing 86% hydro whilst burning 200,000 litres of diesel fuel a day, not including natural gas…it’s laughable. You know Californian is a far left state and will stop at nothing to skew “live data” to make it appear they are producing rainbows and unicorns.
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John on May 1, 2022 at 11:50 am
@ Arnold
You silly boy. You are living in a fantasy world. Your "scientific" proof is false information created by greenie misinformation to suck folks like you into believing pure unadulterated Caribou dung. Best you learn a few realities in life before joining in on something you simply read and believe to be true.
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Arnold on Apr 30, 2022 at 4:14 pm
@ John/salt
The link is to raw, live data. It’s scientific fact, not up for debate.
Good luck on the GED boys.
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Salt on Apr 30, 2022 at 1:01 pm
Arnold is a good example of someone who doesn't understand economics or electrical utilities, but considers himself an authority after reading a few articles. Suggesting that the Yukon could utilize solar/wind generation to become an electricity exporter is pure fantasy and reflects profound ignorance.
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John on Apr 30, 2022 at 12:22 pm
@Arnold
Your dissertation is so funny it made me nearly pee my pants. Your foolish rant with terrible data support is typical greenie propaganda. I take it you just barely got past elementary school.
Next time you to a fight best you bring something more formidable than a pea shooter.
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Webster on Apr 29, 2022 at 9:55 pm
$30 000 000 / 650 = $46 000 per home
$46 000 / 20 years = $2 300 per year, per home
hahahaha
One quick thought - everywhere else in the world measures grid-scale electrical generation in megawatts. But up here we measure it in 'houses'? I don't know what a house unit means when it comes to measuring electrical consumption.
I am no expert, but on the surface this seems like a horrible deal. We need to pick a river, dam it, and not worry about this stuff for another 50 or 60 years. Either that or run a small-scale natural gas project at Eagle Plains. And to buy a little bit of time, modify the building codes in Whitehorse so that you can burn some sort of fuel in your home to keep warm in the winter. Do that and watch peak demand stay level, even while the new builds keep going up.
Finally, if you are going to go all woke/renewable, then at least get good return on your investment. I am no huge booster of solar energy, but I'm pretty sure that you can find panels for about $1 (or less) per watt these days. Call me crazy, but $30 000 000 should buy roughly 30 000 000 watts of panels. Plus, maintenance and upkeep would be minimal relative to trying to keep 4 windmills spinning. Yeah the sun doesn't shine too much in the winter, but the wind doesn't always blow either. And I will be shocked if these 4 turbines put out anywhere close to the 30 megawatts that $30 000 000 worth of solar would buy. The last windmill put out 0.6 megawatts ...
What a gongshow.
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Josey Wales on Apr 29, 2022 at 7:45 pm
Umm...Nathan?
Ya broke your hilarious character and gave us a shot of logic and reason
with your most recent post. Thanks, I guess?
Not all trolls suck, I find when in character, you to be quite funny!
Making me think instead of laugh, “how dare you” Spoiled brat Greta.
Imagine trying to do a LWC Change my mind in this town?
Great post, valid points...carry on.
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Arnold on Apr 29, 2022 at 6:18 pm
Love all the naysayers that didn’t make it beyond grade 10 who come out of the wood work when they hear the phrase ‘green energy’. They turn into Donald TRump and all of a sudden care about birds and windmill cancer.
Maybe you guys could get an adult to read this link for you:
https://www.caiso.com/todaysoutlook/Pages/supply.html
The state of California (who has a population the size of Canada) is running about 70% on renewables. Almost 70% of that is solar, 20% wind.
So yes the Yukon could be selling solar to other markets in the summer and wind year round with a connection to the southern grid. Hydro and Geo thermal could fill in the gaps.
We’d have cleaner air and we’d create jobs in the STEM field versus dying tech and dirty energy.
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bonanzajoe on Apr 29, 2022 at 5:45 pm
The Eagle Hill Energy Limited Partnership (fully owned by the Kwanlin Dün First Nation’s development corporation, Chu Níikwän LP) is investing more than $2 million in the venture. The FN owns it. How come they only get to pay out 6% of the cost? Let them pay it all and take the loss when it comes as well. If that's racism, its not coming from me.
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Nathan Living on Apr 29, 2022 at 3:46 pm
We keep hearing there will be a 40 percent increase in power use in the near future but proposals involve expensive solutions that do not add much to the grid.
Small nuclear can get us there, please tell us why it's not feasible.
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George on Apr 29, 2022 at 2:50 pm
If the feds want to fill the mountain tops with windmills they can start in Kluane Park….
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Vlad on Apr 29, 2022 at 2:31 pm
100% optics pure and simple. Ask anybody from Yukon electric or Yukon energy and they will tell how inefficient and ineffective these bird munching eye sores are. Why is all the money wastage lost on politicians? It boggles the mind.
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The winds of change??? on Apr 29, 2022 at 1:41 pm
I've been up here my whole life and remember remarking once or twice, "Wow, the windmills are actually spinning!!". They were almost always completely still. So how, pray tell, is slapping 4 more wind turbines up there going to add power to the grid when there is rarely ever enough wind up there to turn them?
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Charlie's Aunt on Apr 29, 2022 at 1:23 pm
Please accept that my tongue is stuck in my cheek while writing this. I just read about the solar panel farm in Old Crow; a huge array, made from non environmentally friendly products, that still only provides 24% of power for that small community. I'm thinking that instead of windmills a solar farm would be a great plan for Haeckel Hill. Probably just as useless but we already have a paid fire lookout during summer months so a bonus would be year round employment. Employee could also pick up dead birds and In winter they could clear snow from the panels. Build another hydro dam and quit messing around spending mega dollars on pipe dreams.
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martin on Apr 29, 2022 at 1:07 pm
There are many companies all over the world that are gearing up for the massive undertake to dismantle/scrap this fail technology. The most a wind turbine last is 14 years, then they sit abandoned.
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Lennie on Apr 29, 2022 at 12:38 pm
It is difficult to fathom or believe there are still numb-skulls around promoting "NUCLEAR"!!! IN THE END THERE IS NOTHING MORE TOXIC - WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH WHAT IS LEFT OVER FROM NUCLEAR ENERGY??? That Female Liberal Premier In BC made the best decision and a lovely New Dam NEAR FT. ST. JOHN is well advanced to produce Electricity, plus gobs of jobs building & operating. Several Yukon areas could handle smaller water powered gismos to produce electricity. Recent decision to purchase excess electricity from Atlin is a perfect example and we do not have to go bankrupt getting it into the Grid.
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Josey Wales on Apr 29, 2022 at 12:35 pm
Gee...on a positive note...
For those that do, will be the best place in southern Yukon to “harvest” eagle feathers.
COVID Karen’s are all trained up, LOVE tracking and counting?
Maybe CBC could put a bird death tole running up, act as gatekeepers to never let the truth be seen.
Track the dead birds, oh yeah...I know most are white...but sea gulls matter too!
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Nell Fenwick on Apr 29, 2022 at 12:21 pm
Money laundering. At a cost to wildlife and consumers.
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Mitch Holder on Apr 29, 2022 at 12:04 pm
We can literally grow hemp in the Yukon for biomass fuel, refined natural gas, textiles, livestock feed and bedding from one plant. Legal and viable since 2001. I have suggested this to friends in the Dene, that the first nations should implement some small scale projects to determine feasibility to supplement their small communities for fuel and food staples as well as a source of concrete when mixed with lime. You know why we aren't doing that? Because your elected leaders didn't invest in it.
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Groucho d'North on Apr 29, 2022 at 9:55 am
I recall there was a study on the wind patterns on Haeckel Hill to explain why the two previous windmills were stationary more often than spinning, The same study also named Mount Sumanik and as a better location for windmills as there is more reliable wind at that location.
So what happened to validate another larger investment into a location that was documented to be inadequate for the job? How will four new stationary windmills be an improvement over the two that didn't produce sufficient energy?
This whole green movement has come off the rails and there is no accountability for pissing more tax dollars away into the wind - pardon the pun.
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Virginia on Apr 29, 2022 at 9:17 am
I agree with all the four comments. I think the calculations are full of bison dung. I also challenge you to table the report to an independent body for them to review! This government is out of control with pissing money away.
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CT Clowne on Apr 29, 2022 at 8:40 am
Do people realize that the Yukon is built on taxpayer dollars year in and year out with the TFF, so all the above comments are hot air, maybe HH can use it to power the turbines.
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BnR on Apr 29, 2022 at 7:26 am
These will be a great addition to the grid.......when the winds blowing.
However, it’s a First Nations renewable energy project, and these are in vogue these days, so........
We keep messing around with these pissant projects: a wind turbine here, some PVs there, when what we really need is a large scale power generation project. Get going on a nuclear plant already, or is YG just going to study it to death?
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Yukoner on Apr 29, 2022 at 6:37 am
Another opportunity for tax payers to pay a dev corp for infrastructure that was primarily funded by taxes. Something is wrong there.
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Earacheinmyeye on Apr 28, 2022 at 9:02 pm
Because the first two were so successful?
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bonanzajoe on Apr 28, 2022 at 8:35 pm
Ontario tried this scheme when the Libs were in and their power bills more than doubled. That's why they were voted out. Now, our Lib/NDP government thinks they can do it better.
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bonanzajoe on Apr 28, 2022 at 8:31 pm
And by the way, who gets to clean up all the dead birds that turbines kill?
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bonanzajoe on Apr 28, 2022 at 8:29 pm
Hanley says, “Yukoners are all too aware of the effects of climate change,” I don't remember him or anyone else polling me or anyone else to be able to make that kind of statement. And please, tell us what are the effects of this so called climate change. I want to know. I came up here in 1975 and nothing has changed. The weather has adjusted somewhat, but no damageable change. So, Liberals/NDP, give Yukoners a thorough lesson on "climate change" that is so terrible. We want to know. I and many others are getting pretty sick of you grandstanders telling us about dangerous climate change with no evidence.
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Less capital, more o&m on Apr 28, 2022 at 8:13 pm
You won’t even maintain the ones that have been there since the late Mickey Fisher was environment minister.
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Charlie's Aunt on Apr 28, 2022 at 7:19 pm
OK so now the brains are blowing cold air instead of hot. Most wind turbine components can be recycled but the huge fiberglass polymer blades are a problem. Although recycling possibilities may exist, it is complex and rarely done. With a 25 year life span it will be another generation of air blowers who will have to decide what to do with the remains. If you Google them you will see many ads where they are for sale. Check out this link:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S136403212101114X
After that you can view the blade graveyard in Wyoming: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51325101
For crying out loud, when is another hydro dam going to be developed and allowed, in other places they are a tourist attraction.
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North_of_60 on Apr 28, 2022 at 6:57 pm
Paul and Al are correct. Wind turbines are nothing but an expensive virtue-signaling boondoggle that never generate enough revenue to pay for their manufacture, installation, maintenance and decommissioning. That was true of the two they already tried, and will be true for any more.
As well, they do not produce usable energy longer than a dozen years, at which point the bearings and blades need replacing and the cost of new blades and bearings plus bringing the high-lift crane back up the highway makes that uneconomical.
Moreover, at the times of the year when we need more than hydro, there's hardly any wind.
I second the challenge to table the plan to an independent body for them to review. If Streicker won't do that, then we know it's just another greenwashed scam which the taxpayers will continue paying for long after the turbines stop turning.
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Thomas Brewer on Apr 28, 2022 at 6:32 pm
So KDFN is kicking in 6.6% of the capital costs of this project... what's their cut of the 'profits' of this venture?? Dollars to donuts it's a crapload more than that...
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Max Mack on Apr 28, 2022 at 6:19 pm
Free money for FN, pure and simple. And I will bet their costing assumptions are highly biased.
Bottom line, rates will go up so we can pay FN a subsidy to produce intermittent power for infrastructure that public tax dollars built. This is wrong.
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Matthew on Apr 28, 2022 at 5:27 pm
Huh!? The one up there now hasn't been spinning for years.. clear and simple what this is, washing money..
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Who let the idiots run the village? on Apr 28, 2022 at 5:18 pm
Wow! The absolute foolishness is in your face, brazen like, with a twist of psychosis. You will never be able to afford the power it may produce when the wind might be blowing in your favour. Perhaps some diesel generators can be used to power them when the wind does not blow. The last set did not pay for themselves. In fact they are long gone and we are still paying for them. Then there are the economic and environmental costs associated with making them and then recycling and disposing of them.
You people are silly. We know they don’t work reliably and you are going to introduce this social experiment of virtue into a system that already suffers from an intermittency problem.
FFS! Let’s throw some biomass tech in there too to really heat the climate up… Wind, solar, and biomass technologies… Literally, blowing sunshine up you skirt while implementing a system of smoke and mirrors… LOL, ROFL, LMAO, SMH…
Wow! Good thing we have dumbed down society so that this can, collectively at least, seem like a good idea.
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Paul on Apr 28, 2022 at 3:44 pm
I would like to know how much fossil fuels were used from "beginning to end" in the production and installation of just one of these sky fans. This would include the extraction of minerals, the cost of ore refinement, all the transportation links, production at various levels by all the component industries, assembly, etc. Please do not leave anything out. I would suspect that you are likely to find that you gained zip, perhaps even a negative value to the savings in HC you so joyfully believe you are going to save (which I, like many others will be challenging you on).
When I do the quick math - based on your figures you are telling me that the 40 million litres of fuel for 650 homes over 20 years would currently equal the consumption of 3,077 of litres per home per year - somehow I just don't believe this crock you are chucking. Nor are you providing all the other relevant data to support your assumptions. In my opinion this venture you have dumped on us is pure unadulterated BS. What a waste of money. Why not go nuclear or hydro. Very, very poorly thought through - and of course zero consultation with the us peasants. I will bet 20:1 we will not see our power bills go down one penny.
Furthermore, what environmental care is being taken to protect killing the avian species that come into contact with these whirly birds. This has been proven to be a huge concerns in other jurisdictions. Did this project pass the YESAB? How come this was not advertised for public opinion/input? Are we to expect this shoddy way of doing business with the public in the future? Why of course we will because that is how you like ram through your pet projects that have little or no value.
I summation - thanks for another grandiose white elephant. It will be a reminder every time I look at Haeckel Hill of what a bloody mess you have made, yet again with taxpayers money.
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Mitch Holder on Apr 28, 2022 at 3:09 pm
Willing to bet in 10 years, there won't be much of a world to replace these in. Plus they kill birds, which the liberal government is being sued for TODAY.
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Al on Apr 28, 2022 at 2:05 pm
And pray tell what is the ROI (return on investment) for this extravaganza? Oh and the life expectancy of 30 million bucks is only 20 years. Then what? Tear it down and rebuild for another 30 million+ (actually 20 years from now it will be more like 60 million) build another eye sore. On top of that what are you going to do with the old crap? Bury it like everyone else is doing in this continent because they don't know how to get rid of the remains that have no intrinsic value? This is without doubt a complete and utter waste of money, and will continue to be nothing more than a drain of taxpayers resources.
I think your calculations are full of bison dung. I challenge you to table the report to an independent body for them to review. Frankly I believe the numbers are fudged. Furthermore we don't even spend that kind of money on diesel fuel to begin with for 650 homes.
You want inexpensive hydro build a bloody a hydro dam that will bring solid and tangible benefits for now and well into the future. Better yet a small reactor would be even better if you want clean energy. This government is out of control with pissing money away. It is nothing more then bum air blowing into the wind.
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Josey Wales on Apr 28, 2022 at 1:20 pm
As long as they do not close access to the top, not a big deal.
Just a virtue project.
Wanna pull many tons of carbon outta the atmosphere?
Stop flying our political blowholes and their minions to globalist power summits, and up here just to hand out equity cheque’s.