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CLAIMING CREDIT FOR REVERSAL – Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre leaves a media availability event this morning in the foyer of the House of Commons. He said the government was ‘caught’ formulating bad firearms law policy – and was forced to retreat. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld

Controversial changes to guns bill axed

The federal Liberals withdrew an amendment to their guns bill today that had introduced a controversial new definition of an assault-style weapon.

By CP on February 3, 2023

OTTAWA – The federal Liberals withdrew an amendment to their guns bill today that had introduced a controversial new definition of an assault-style weapon.

On behalf of the government, Vancouver MP Taleeb Noormohamed asked for and received unanimous consent to withdraw the amendment to Bill C-21 at this morning’s House of Commons public safety committee meeting.

The amendment introduced a new definition of an “assault-style’’ gun that includes semi-automatic rifles and shotguns with a capacity of more than five cartridges.

Gun control group PolySeSouvient welcomed the amendment as “another critical step toward a comprehensive and permanent ban on assault-style weapons.’’

But it caused an outcry in many parts of rural Canada, as hunters argued it criminalized weapons they often use legally for hunting.

The Liberals were also under pressure from many of their own MPs to change or withdraw the new definition of weapons being banned.

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino said in a written statement posted to Twitter that the government has committed to coming up with “a clear, standard definition of what constitutes an assault-style firearm.’’

That was what they tried to do with the amendment, but he said “there have been legitimate concerns raised about the need for more consultation and debate on this vital part of the bill.’’

He travelled the country in recent weeks to meet with concerned Canadians.

He also went bison hunting last month with members of the Yukon Fish and Game Association – although he never used or even held a gun – and held a roundtable about the gun law.

The association sent a letter to Yukon MP Brendan Hanley, thanking him for his work in opposing the amendments. (Premier Ranj Pillai, Justice Minister Tracy-Anne McPhee and the Yukon Party also had issues with the amendments.)

“This legislation, as proposed, will cause undue harm and have serious impacts on the rights of hunters in the Yukon,” the association wrote to Hanley.

“Most of our members believe that this bill, if passed, would limit the rights of hunters, and make it much more difficult for us to engage in harvesting activities and feed our families, which has been an important part of our way of life for generations.

“The Government of Canada can be much more effective directing its resources at the criminals who commit violent crimes rather than attacking our law-abiding citizens,” the letter said.

“This new bill treats law-abiding citizens who hunt with legally-owned firearms like criminals.”

Mendicino said today, “We hear those concerns loud and clear, regret the confusion that this process has caused and are committed to a thoughtful and respectful conversation that is based on facts, not fear.

“This is an emotional issue, and Canadians are counting on us to get it right. More discussions, including with Indigenous communities, are crucial.’’

Mendicino said a new solution to keep assault-style weapons off Canada’s streets is underway.

MPs from all three opposition parties expressed relief that the amendment was withdrawn, though the Liberals were still under heavy criticism for trying to push it through in the first place.

In December, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre called attention to Hanley’s opposition to the amendments in the House of Commons, telling Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that even some Liberal caucus members did not support the government’s plans.

Today, Poilievre held a press conference outside the House of Commons – where he declared his party’s efforts to be the sole reason the Liberals withdrew the amendment.

Conservative MP Doug Shipley said it was a “relief’’ the Liberals had a light bulb go off because he has heard a lot about C-21 in his riding over the holidays.

“I’m happy we got here, don’t get me wrong,’’ he said.

“There will be a lot of relieved hunters and farmers across Canada.’’

The Conservatives are pushing for Mendicino to appear at the committee for two hours to answer questions about the amendment. The Liberals are offering him for one hour.

Conservative MP Glen Motz said Canadians should understand that this all happened in the first place because the Liberals pushed a political agenda that wasn’t informed by consultations with farmers or Indigenous communities.

“Canadians will not forget that,’’ he said.

In May 2020, the Liberal government banned 1,500 models and variants of firearms, including the AR-15 and Ruger Mini-14, through an order-in-council on the grounds they have no place in hunting or sport shooting.

But PolySeSouvient said Canada needed a clear definition of an assault-style firearm in the Criminal Code so bans actually worked to keep them off the street.

The group includes students and graduates of Montreal’s Ecole polytechnique, where a gunman killed 14 women in 1989.

Bill C-21 was introduced last May with multiple changes to the Firearms Act and Criminal Code that would codify the government’s regulated ban on handguns and take away firearms from people considered to be a threat to themselves or others.

The amendment with the new definition of an assault-style weapon was added to the bill at committee at the end of November, after the committee had finished debating the bill and hearing from witnesses.

NDP MP Alistair MacGregor said the amendment “derailed’’ all other progress on C-21.

“I’ve never seen such a groundswell of opposition come really from everywhere all at once,’’ he said.

Noormohamed said the Liberals are aware withdrawing the amendment also took out a reference to “ghost guns’’, which are untraceable weapons.

The proliferation of 3D printers has seen an explosion in the number of “ghost guns,’’ creating a new problem for police and the courts.

The government intends to find a way to ensure Bill C-21 still addresses that issue.

By Mia Rabson
The Canadian Press

Comments (19)

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Khoudung Flunghi on Feb 9, 2023 at 5:54 pm

I was quite blown away by the news that this bad law got shot down and died right there on main street, before it even had the time to leave the holster.

Whomever conjured it up in the first place sure wasn't firing on all cylinders and that is for sure and for certain. And as a result the political recoil was an awesome thing to behold. The legislation was so badly off target that McGoo would have noticed how wide was the miss but that's what you get for shooting in the dark like that.

But now that the smoke has cleared I suppose the lawyers are reloading for the next volley. Perhaps a scattergun sort of legal technique would be more effective at taming the evil duck hunters of cubanada since pinpoint accuracy seems to be unachievable for them at this time. We shall see. We shall see.

In the meantime, best keep your powder dry folks and circle those wagons for the next political assault weapon, anxious to rid us of our freedoms, shows itself.

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Juniper, firearms safety course on Feb 6, 2023 at 6:57 am

The Canadian Firearms Safety course is offered regularly by Whitehorse Rifle and Gun Club, with one coming up later this month. Juniper, once you've taken it, post your review here please.

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Apex Parasite on Feb 6, 2023 at 6:33 am

"Today, Poilievre held a press conference outside the House of Commons – where he declared his party’s efforts to be the sole reason the Liberals withdrew the amendment.".........this picture is gross. Claiming sole credit for what was clearly a multi fronted and pressured concern is pretty icky.

Good news but like any good fight sometimes you have to withdraw and regroup before trying a different angle. Sadly all this fighting and angling is done via our tax dollars and any good works that cost us billions today may be erased depending on the results of the next federal election. Massive waste in energy and time on so many fronts.

I rarely refer to any one party over another as they are all simply different different flavors of the very same dog#$%^ but it feels like the liberals may have pinned their own coffin shut with this poorly executed attempt at trying to pass what seems to be a poorly framed bill. What it has done though, at least for me, is illustrate how easily legislation comes and goes, albeit at great expense in both energy and money. A good example is when the ill conceived gun registry was quashed but only after it cost billions to put in place and ultimately was thrown out in the form it took at that time.

If the government were to spend that kind of money looking into the actual root cause of gun violence as well as the source of the guns being used in various crimes, and address those concerns much could be done. Sadly it always seems to turn into a political play that does little but costs a lot.

Still, good news for now I suppose but you just know the gun control effort will be back in some other form on some other front and we will just ride along hemorrhaging money into a flawed system chiefed by equally flawed personalities.

I want legit options that would see me be able to define how the money I pay in taxes is spent.

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Yukoner32 on Feb 5, 2023 at 8:55 pm

@Doug Martens "It's a funny thing. Some guns are so well behaved and other guns just seem to have a mean streak. And the weird thing is it's exactly the same with knives, axes, and even cars!"

Yes, I agree that guns are only as dangerous as knives and axes. So you should agree with me that we should only arm our police and soldiers with knives and axes instead of guns as a cost saving measure. After all, they are just as dangerous and effective at killing right?

One thing I do find odd is that according to a Harvard study, households with guns in them raise the odds of both suicide and homicide. In fact, you or a family member are twice as likely to die suicide if there is a gun in your home. You might not like it, but the facts are the facts.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/risk/

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/

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Politico on Feb 5, 2023 at 6:00 pm

@Dallas I know English is a hard language and you should learn to read and write before putting double negatives into sentences, it's awkward. I know it's difficult to understand but you cannot be a liberal, socialist and communist at the same time, they are all totally different political views. I'm a member of none of those parties! Remember, every criminal was once a law abiding citizen 5 sec before they pulled that trigger. I grieve the victims, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks. Did you toast the freedom of gun use that day?

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Politico on Feb 5, 2023 at 5:52 pm

@ Johnny boy Nice try but making up lies about people doesn't work. I'm retired so I can spend my days calling out lying people on the internet! And since I'm retired you can get me fired and I own my own house so you can't get me evicted! Better luck being evil next time. Cheers!

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TheHammer on Feb 5, 2023 at 2:57 pm

Claiming credit is a red flag for this dubious character and his power complex. Embarrassing to say the least. More like the axe man cometh.

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unReal on Feb 5, 2023 at 2:46 pm

I didn't realize that Poilievre and his party's efforts were the sole reason that the changes were made. Does our country need an ego that huge? He implies that the YFGA, MP Hanley and our local politicians had no effect.

I don't think Poilievre has any idea on how negotiations work. Start high, settle for less!

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Juniper Jackson on Feb 5, 2023 at 2:10 am

North_of_60: Your post is very interesting. You are not normally a "conspiracy theorist", but that doesn't mean you aren't right. Trudeau is famous for misdirection, secrecy and deception. I think you are probably right.

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Douglas Martens on Feb 4, 2023 at 1:44 pm

It's a funny thing. Some guns are so well behaved and other guns just seem to have a mean streak. And the weird thing is it's exactly the same with knives, axes, and even cars!

I hope somebody figures this out soon. Maybe the mean guns and knives weren't brought up right or something...

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Groucho d'North on Feb 4, 2023 at 9:39 am

I much rather think of this as evidence the federal Lberals have pulled their fingers out of their ears and are perhaps listening to Canadians as a new performance indicator. Political polls show they are on an acute downslide in popularity. I believe it will be too little too late, but they will continue to spend our money to buy support in the coming election, all the while Freeland is now speaking of reducing government spending to tame inflation.

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Juniper Jackson on Feb 3, 2023 at 8:52 pm

I have never held a gun in my life. But, I should have. Its the way the world is, that everyone little kids up, know the dangers, know what a safety is and where to find it on a gun and what position it should be in. How to store it, who to call If bullets don't like like the ones in Criminal Minds, I need to know that too. How to pick one up, see if its safe. I am sure gun owners could run a course. I'd sign up for it, with my adult daughters that don't know any more than I do. That they axed this bill was not surprising. It hurt them politically and it wasn't ever going to get the guns off people that kill people with them. Outlaw something, and only the outlaws have it.

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Dallas on Feb 3, 2023 at 5:47 pm

Hey politico I’m sure in your limited brain function you probably don’t realize this but it’s not law abiding Yukoners involved in sport shooting hunting and protection are not shooting in the country, but then again you may know that then if that’s the case I'd say you are a liberal supporter and a staunch admirer of socialism/communism, we are watching.

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Max Mack on Feb 3, 2023 at 5:40 pm

@North_of_60

I completely agree. I believe the last-minute changes brought by the Liberals were both a diversion and to further cement support from the majority of urban Canadians who have a very misinformed view of firearms.

Unfortunately, the current walk-back also works to the advantage of the Conservatives - both sides can now claim victory. Liberals can say they listened, and Conservatives can say they successfully defended law-abiding firearms owners.

Meanwhile, the confiscation of "assault-style" firearms and the banning of handgun sales/transfers are still on the table. The proposed bill also gives the RCMP enormous power to unilaterally ban any firearm.

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Johnny boy on Feb 3, 2023 at 4:13 pm

@Politico

I suggest going on the Yuwin website and finding yourself a job, as commenting on the Whitehorse star three times a day is not a marketable trait

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bonanzajoe on Feb 3, 2023 at 4:03 pm

Now all that's needed is the banning of Justin Trudeau and his deputy Christia Freeland. That will be a start to bringing Canada back to its freedom and democracy sanity. JT's only degree is Drama. Does he believe that he is just conducting a drama play? Both of them better smarten up soon. The whole western world is laughing at them. And they appear to be too stupid to understand it.

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North_of_60 on Feb 3, 2023 at 3:50 pm

This was always the plan. They specifically added a controversial over-the-top 'amendment' to distract Canadians away from the contentious issues in the handgun/assault-weapon ban. So now they pull the 'amendment' so it looks like they're the 'good guys' who listened to Canadians and responded as asked. Now they will proceed to ram the handgun/assault-weapon ban through Parliament without time for significant debate.
"At no point in history have the people forcing others into compliance been the good guys"

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Politico on Feb 3, 2023 at 3:41 pm

The only people celebrating are the undertakers!

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Matthew on Feb 3, 2023 at 3:27 pm

Of course.. beware, it's coming though. Their leaders (W.E.F) don't want you to own guns. I smell a few false flags coming soon..

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