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CANDIDATES MAKE THEIR PITCHES – ‘The Pit’ at Yukon College was filled for Wednesday’s all-candidates’ debate.

Candidates’ exchanges had their testy moments

The territory’s MP-hopefuls had their first candidate debate Wednesday,

By Aimee O'Connor on September 24, 2015

The territory’s MP-hopefuls had their first candidate debate Wednesday, hosted by the Yukon College Student Union – and it wasn’t long before the verbal bashing began.

As a result of the territory-wide Internet outage, Green Party candidate Frank de Jong was unable to be included in the debate via live-streaming from Dawson City.

The forum consisted of three questions covering the topics of an inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women, student debt and Bill S-6.

Yukon Conservative candidate Ryan Leef was quick to remind the crowd at “The Pit” that in the House of Commons’ vote earlier this year, he was the only Conservative MP to vote in favour of calling the national inquiry.

It was a statement that was not met with silence from NDP candidate Melissa Atkinson.

“If you’re the lone Conservative that votes for it, does that vote really matter?” she asked.

“When you’re in with your caucus ... and you can’t convince any other part of your caucus to join you in that vote...” she began, as Leef began simultaneously defending himself in his microphone.

After accusing Leef of “twittering over her shoulder,” Atkinson added that when Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the inquiry wasn’t a “priority,” it shows people where exactly the party lies.

“You can be darn sure if I didn’t (vote for the inquiry), that you’d be criticizing me for that,” Leef retorted.

“No matter what the party stands for, I will be Yukon’s voice in Ottawa.... So don’t minimize that and take it away.”

Liberal candidate Larry Bagnell stayed quiet throughout the “twittering” back and forth.

He did make his side clear by stating he would put the issue forward as a private member’s bill if a Liberal government is not voted in on Oct. 19.

“When the inquiry is called, I think we need the supporters and leaders to help design it so it doesn’t get off the tracks,” he added.

In the subject of educational costs and student debt, all three candidates agreed that their parties would do their best to lower costs and remove financial barriers to students.

The pleasantry among candidates and their fond feelings toward education were fleeting.

Bagnell stated a Liberal government would reopen the Kelowna Accord. Created under former prime minister Paul Martin, the initiative sought to improve education, employment and living conditions for aboriginal populations through federal government funding.

Harper did not support the Kelowna Accord – a result of 18 months of discussions.

After Atkinson called the agreement “another empty promise,” Bagnell shot back.

“You joined with Ryan and brought our government down,” he said, which prompted laughter and some applause from the crowd.

Staying quiet, Leef commented on the “chill” in the air and put on a Yukon College toque.

Bagnell then brought Leef back into the hot seat by inquiring about the current lack of federal funding for the Kluane Research Station.

Leef replied by stating that more than $1 million of Canadian Northern Economic Funding was given to the station to expand and diversify its operations – in 2011/2012.

“Every time you talk about funding cuts, you check the record and you actually see funding increases,” Leef said.

Clearly not satisfied by Leef’s response, Bagnell asked Leef whether $0 of funding was an increase.

The government has made scientific investment in the Kluane station and the Cold Climate Innovation Centre, Leef said, this time being cut off by Atkinson.

“Scientific innovation? Scientists who are being muzzled by the Harper government!” she retorted.

The interaction was cut off by the debate timer. That prompted debate moderator Matt Landry to initiate the final topic – Bill S-6, the legislation passed in June that has resulted in Yukon First Nations intending to take legal action.

The bill amending the territory’s environmental assessment legislation passed with four amendments which were strongly objected to by several First Nations.

They maintain they were never consulted on the amendments, and that the changes breach their land claim settlements.

Leef voted in favour of the bill – amendments included – back in June.

“One area of disagreement does not a bad relationship make,” Leef said in the debate of the federal government’s intent to have positive relations with First Nations governments.

Atkinson, a First Nations lawyer, said the legislation simply raises “uncertainty” in the economy, and with the government’s way of fostering a good relationship.

“With those four unilateral changes, it’s about further uncertainty. And shame on us,” she said.

Bagnell reiterated his party’s position on the amendments, and vowed to rescind the changes if elected – leaving the ensuing argument between Atkinson and Leef.

Leef stated that the government didn’t change the wording on the amendments because the belief was that the legislation does not undermine the land claim agreements.

“We’re forced to get them to court to get certainty,” Atkinson shot back, her voice getting louder.

“It’s not working. You don’t get it.”

The students’ union debate ended with rampant verbal snubs and flared tempers.

There are several more all-candidates’ debates planned for the upcoming weeks – covering a variety of topics such as the environment, women’s rights and issues affecting youth and First Nations.

The federal party leaders, meanwhile, will have their televised French-language debate beginning at 5:00 this afternoon (Yukon time).

See de Jong commentary.

Comments (13)

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Where is the discussion on healthy families program? on Sep 28, 2015 at 8:56 am

If the Federal and Yukon Governments don't develop a healthy families program for the most needy in society it is going to cost governments and society double what it is now.
As one doctor stated to me this week, their job is to prevent people from getting sick by treating issues before they get started.
One major part of healthy families program is treating the problem before it starts and becomes an issue in society.
Federal candidates are talking about spending billions of dollars on the problems of homelessness, clothing, food and income but nothing about spending money on treating the problem before it is a problem.
People of Whitehorse and Yukon you don't realize how bad this issue is until you talk to the front line workers.
Federal candidates can you give the people of the Yukon, your position on developing a healthy families program for our needy?

Wilf Carter mayoralty candidate

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jimmyB on Sep 27, 2015 at 9:31 pm

To LD: I take your point, that he voted for an inquiry, as that is the right course of action. But please keep in mind that it was safe for him to do so. And if he was planning on standing with his party almost always (regardless of what Yukoners wanted), then he should have not made such a promise. And no, I do not find it annoying that you haven't made your mind up on how you will vote. I think it shows you take your vote seriously. As a senior (and then some) I'm inspired that there are young voters like yourself that give a damn. I have a feeling that if all young voters were as concerned about our politics and got out and voted (remember, the youth vote is around 33%) we might have a much more equitable and caring world. It's probably clear how I am not voting, but after that, I too do not know how I am voting yet. I have almost always voted for a particular party that I feel represents my moral leanings of social justice and fair play, but the last few elections I have felt the need to vote strategically. Yes, anyone but the Conservatives. Our country cannot survive another 4 years of their degrading of our social safety systems and environmental safeguards and general erosion of our democratic standards. We really must get some others in there while we can still repair the damage and get our great country back to its high standards of social justice and environmental protection that considers the needs of future generations. From what I've seen from the other three parties, I may have a favorite, but I would be content with any of them. Conservatives MUST GO!
And I take your point of Melissa and her comment of Leef's vote not mattering. Wrong thing to say. I didn't consider the negative effects of that. North of 60 was also pointing out her actions turning away undecided voters. A related valid point. Hopefully Melissa gets that message, because otherwise, she sure seems sharp and on the ball. Thanks LD and others for reasoned and objective and respectful dialogue. I'm new to the net, and have already come to see what a rarity those things can be on these postings. Thank you for caring, and get all your friends out to vote too.

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north_of_60 on Sep 26, 2015 at 7:18 pm

Bagnall was the only one to show the dignity and restraint that goes with being an MP.

Atkinson's "HateHarper" rhetoric and rude behavior put her in the same mud-pit as Leef. She should be smart enough to know that hate rhetoric and attack tactics only appeal to the party faithful who are voting for her anyway. Her personal hate antics will turn away those undecided middle-of-the-road voters who might have given her their vote.

As I walk to the polls on election day I'll be deciding which candidate actually acted like the sort of person I would like to represent me as our MP.

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LD on Sep 26, 2015 at 4:58 pm

To jimmyB: I agree- he has made many bad choices and not stood up enough for Yukoners. That being said I'm also not surprised he voted in favor of many of the items you listed because he is a Conservative Party member and no matter what party is in it happens (ie: Larry Bagnell and the long gun registry). Like I said - I am NOT a Conservative fan myself. It may have been a ploy to get votes but I can still respect the fact that he stood alone. He could've gone with his party and he didn't (which is a bit of a shock, considering eh?). Also I just felt like Melissa was saying one vote doesn't count- it's like she's telling me don't go the polls cause your vote is insignificant if you can't change other people's minds to vote your way. This is all just my personal opinion though- I was just disappointed to hear someone say that. I would've been disappointed if those words came out of anyone's mouth at that debate or any other. It's just not an empowering feeling as a young Canadian voter to hear someone say that.
But this is just my feelings - like I said I'm a fence sitter right now (yes I am that annoying voter who at this stage still has no idea). But thanks for the comment back- I appreciate you opening the dialogue and putting forth some interesting facts for everyone to consider during this election time!

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Yukoner 3 on Sep 26, 2015 at 9:25 am

So Louis, you think the Liberals support of First Nations is hypocritical at best? I would say that either you're lying (likely) or you need to question your morals being that you were a Liberal during the last federal election. Maybe you should recall the story about people who live in glass houses.

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jimmyB on Sep 25, 2015 at 8:52 pm

To LD: Ryan Leef adamantly proclaimed last election campaign that he would always stand up for Yukoners, even if that meant going against his party. It was Bagnell's vote with his party on the gun registry that prompted that promise. Has he lived up to that? Axing Parks Canada jobs, Bills C-51, S-6, veterans offices closures, long form census, Elections Canada office closure, etc, etc. On all of these (and more), there was opposition (sometimes overwhelming) from Yukoners. And each and every time, Ryan simply mouthed the words of the Conservative Party that his puppet masters wanted him to. He most certainly did NOT stand with Yukoners. He stood with his party. His vote for an inquiry may be honest, but ultimately, it is a pathetic attempt to make up for all his previous towing of the party line. He even said he discussed it with his colleagues and they were OK with his lone vote (Bagnell would have been kicked out of his party- Leef remains a member in good standing-not the same thing at all). If his vote really mattered and would swing the vote in favour of an inquiry, he would have been ordered to vote otherwise. And the puppet would have complied.

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Josey wales on Sep 25, 2015 at 4:28 pm

Hey "Josey"...the other Josey here at ya.
This Josey is OK with that, if you have not set foot in the country for over 5 years... vote you do not.
How long is a reasonable time for you "Josey" with folks holding a paper (many of them just want the free stuff) to influence our elections?
Canadians of convenience is a huge drain, a huge concern, a issue growing in popularity.

Good moniker, but I'm bias...clearly.

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Louis on Sep 25, 2015 at 3:41 pm

Larry was being disingenuous in his Kelowna Accord put down. The Liberal Government, was brought down not because of the Accord, but because of the corruption scandal. In fact when the House returned, they voted on the Kelowna Accord as a private members bill and ALL members, with the exception of the Conservatives voted for it. Private members bill, do not allow the expense of public funds, so it died.

With the specter of the Liberal "White Paper", their so called support of First Nations is hypocritical at best.

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LD on Sep 25, 2015 at 2:01 pm

I was disappointed in Melissa's comment: “If you’re the lone Conservative that votes for it, does that vote really matter?”
While I am not a Conservative fan this was actually a moment that made me proud of Ryan Leef. Yes he stood alone but he stood up for what he heard from a majority of Yukoners. While yes he's made his fair share of blunders it was nice to see him not toe the party line.

The whole debate just seemed like an attack on each other and the parties themselves - I wish it had more information on the party's views and what they hope to see Canada look like over their four years in power. While there was some of it the attacking was kind of distracting for me personally. I'm hoping the speed date with the candidates can give more insight into the things I would like to know as I am unfortunately still a fence sitter (ugh!).

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Common Sense on Sep 25, 2015 at 12:17 pm

Joe: Being angry and nasty doesn't mean she won the debate. Yes I'm sure Ryan is just terrified to debate Melissa lol.

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Josey Wales on Sep 24, 2015 at 6:51 pm

Ryan Leef voted in favour of C-23 which basically removed the right to vote for Canadians holding dual citizenship. Shame on you Ryan for doing that to your fellow Canadians, shame, shame, shame.

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joe on Sep 24, 2015 at 4:57 pm

I call it a win for Melissa. Wonder if Mr.Leef will think twice about debating with her again...

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June Jackson on Sep 24, 2015 at 3:41 pm

I was sorry to see the 3 of them descending into attack mode instead of stating their positions on the issues. They didn't have to attack Leef's performance as he was not going to get in again anyway.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/bill-s-6-to-face-final-vote-in-house-monday-evening-1.3104834

Except for Student Loans, this forum was all about FN issues.. why is that? I have other interests in the Yukon besides First Nations.

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