Whitehorse Daily Star

Canada ‘a laggard’ on physical punishment debate: NDP MP

In light of recent allegations at a local elementary school, and a history of abuse in Canada’s residential schools, the NDP is urging Parliament to pass a bill that would ban the physical punishment of children. 

By Ethan Lycan-Lang on December 9, 2022

In light of recent allegations at a local elementary school, and a history of abuse in Canada’s residential schools, the NDP is urging Parliament to pass a bill that would ban the physical punishment of children. 

A private member’s bill that would make it illegal to use force to discipline children was put forward by federal NDP House Leader Peter Julian in the spring.

During a virtual news conference Thursday morning, Julian and Yukon NDP Leader Kate White urged Parliament to pass the bill, now awaiting its second reading.

“It is time now to repeal section 43 and eliminate the legalized use of force against children,” Julian said.

“When we think of the genocide that took place in residential schools and the horrific allegations coming out, even recently, around the Jack Hulland Elementary School, it is high time that the Canadian government took the action.”

Julian called Canada a “laggard” on this issue, saying more than 60 other countries around the world have banned physical punishment of children. The United Nations has also advocated against laws that permit corporal punishment.

In Canadian law, section 43 of the Criminal Code allows a limited form of corporal punishment: “Every schoolteacher, parent or person standing in the place of a parent is justified in using force by way of correction toward a pupil or child, as the case may be, who is under his care, if the force does not exceed what is reasonable under the circumstances.”

Julian’s bill, if passed, would remove this section from the Criminal Code.

This controversial section of the Code has remained virtually unchanged since 1892, though there have been numerous attempts to reform it.

Most recently, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government committed to implementing the Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s 94 Calls to Action, which included removing section 43. A subsequent Senate bill was introduced in 2015, but failed to pass a second reading.

At Jack Hulland, the RCMP are investigating the alleged abuses, and a class action lawsuit claims that between 2008 and 2020, children were isolated in small cubicles for hours as punishment for misbehaviour.

During Thursday’s news conference, White said the allegations against Jack Hulland staff might not technically be crimes under section 43. 

It’s unclear if this would be the case.

A 2004 Supreme Court ruling found corporal punishment isn’t reasonable “in the school context,” but teachers may use force to remove children from classrooms or secure compliance with instructions.

At Jack Hulland, students were allegedly dragged from classrooms at times and placed in specially-built rooms where they were held away from other students.

There have also been claims of teachers physically restraining students by the limbs to aid in discipline.

White told reporters Thursday that glass had to be removed from the doors of these rooms “due to children allegedly breaking the glass trying to escape.”

A majority ruling from that 2004 Supreme Court case, which reviewed whether section 43 violated the Charter rights of children, also found that a “reasonable” amount of force was acceptable to correct children’s behaviour. 

The Yukon’s Education Act doesn’t permit corporal punishment.

Former Yukon schools superintendent Donna Miller-Fry spoke alongside White and Julian at Thursday’s news conference.

She said current law doesn’t adequately protect children.

Miller-Fry also said she tried to raise the alarm about abuses at Jack Hulland with the Department of Education in her past role – to no avail.

She agrees with White that section 43 could protect those who committed abuses at the school.

“During open public school council meetings, Jack Hulland Elementary teachers and leaders have expressed with confidence that they have done nothing wrong and that they have the right to use force on children to drag them out of classrooms and restrain them as a form of punishment,” she said.

“Under Section 43 of the Criminal Code, they have a defence for this behaviour.”

The Yukon government has acknowledged that children were held in small rooms at Jack Hulland Elementary as punishment. Education Minister Jeanie McLean has said they have now been dismantled.

The breadth and scope of the use of holds at Jack Hulland is now under RCMP investigation. It’s believed holding practices stopped some time in 2020.

The government has worked to reach out to parents of children who might be victims of the alleged abuse, but White said Thursday that outreach hasn’t been good enough.

She said many parents of former and current Jack Hulland students have told the Yukon NDP they are “desperately trying to find out if their child or children are potential victims. 

“We’ve heard from them that the Department of Education is refusing to give them the information.”

The Department of Education has insisted it’s working to connect with all families of potential victims.

Should section 43 be removed from the Criminal Code, general assault provisions would apply to anyone who uses force against a child without their consent.

What this would mean for parents isn’t completely clear.

If the section is removed, they might then be breaking the law by restraining an uncooperative child in a vehicle seat, or physically holding a child to avoid a dangerous situation.

However, common law precludes criminal responsibility in emergency situations for conduct meant to protect oneself and others.

This defence wouldn’t apply to a parent spanking a child for misbehaving though.

As well, there would likely be a number of legal questions that would have to be answered concerning legal responsibility of parents and guardians should the law change.

Comments (21)

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Bad Leader… Baddd! on Dec 14, 2022 at 4:33 pm

Well said ShakeYour Head on Dec 13, 2022 at 4:21 pm:

I too have been similarly involved. There is such a lack of understanding of all the issues you have raised notwithstanding our never ending emergency states associated with these concerns - Our governments are too busy managing their image to really commit to anything serious to mitigate these concerns.

You need mental health workers in the school with a clear mandate to intervene. It is absolutely abhorrent that the government continues to put lipstick on the pig. Rest assured though that this is intentional - They are deliberately pressuring the sociopolitical environment to create change without regard to the consequences of their actions.

Equity is violence. It necessitates violence to achieve its ends. This is well known and extensively written about. Our current leaders are the definition of ‘dangerously stupid’…

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Laur on Dec 14, 2022 at 10:07 am

Bonanzajoe you have no idea what your talking about .
My mother's legs are so scarred from being whipped, I have never seen her wear shorts or a dress.
My mothers oldest sister was repeatedly raped so viciously she could never have children.
Two of her sisters became alcoholics to forget the trauma they suffered for years .
Both her brothers committed suicide from the shame of being raped and used.
These are the children my grandparents got back from Residential School .
Bonanzajoe sounds like you and your siblings were some of the lucky ones.

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ShakeYour Head on Dec 13, 2022 at 4:21 pm

I spent the better part of 40 years working in thankless environments to keep the peace. Young offenders, open custody, closed custody, group homes, receiving homes, mental health institutions, provincial, territorial and federal prisons. Guess who was the hardest population to work with?

I won’t get to the argument for or against… I will say this… If you do not have the means to deal with uncontrollable behaviour you put others in jeopardy. Whether it is other students, siblings, teacher assistants or teachers they all deserve to be safe. Are teachers supposed to teach and be a parent?

Sending kids home rewards bad behaviour and can be more destructive to the child if the home is broken. On an average day, guess how many kids aren’t in school but on the street? Ever seen full blown hate and rage….it ain’t pretty

I have seen 14 year olds destroy classrooms and timeout rooms. I seen them self harm. I have seen those same 14 year olds be restrained and watched trained staff become severely injured. Add a mental health issue into the fray, and you have a very volatile situation brewing. Medication compliance vs selling isn’t hard to figure out. Getting an actual diagnosis these days is very difficult.

If intervention is not provided then the become part of the adult judicial system. By then the damage is largely done.

Do you know why vicarious trauma, depression, sleep disorders, PTSD are on the rise in the helping or schooling profession? And for those who think it’s all BS….try de-escalation with a 17 year old, weighing 200 lb plus or even a 5 foot 90 lb who sees every adult as a potential abuser…..

I know, I have lived it, seen it, smelt it, read about it reported it……

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Juniper Jackson on Dec 13, 2022 at 3:25 pm

Gotta love you BonanzaJoe. Agree with you, or disagree, you put the issues everyone else is prancing around, right on the table. Nothing ever gets settled today because people are not allowed to voice their truth, so most of any debate opinions are silenced.

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Just Sayin on Dec 13, 2022 at 8:04 am

If your child is endangering other children, I will physically restrain your child. If this does not work, I will lock your child in a room if I have to.

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U. P. Pull on Dec 12, 2022 at 12:30 pm

Absolutely agreed - Just Sayin' on Dec 12, 2022 at 10:11 am:

Send them home. When a child is sent home all parents to that child should be legally required to be at home with the kid to correct the behaviour. The child can then return to school with their letter of apology. An assembly can be held so that the child can apologize to the whole school.

Where a physical assault occurs there should be a restorative process wherein the perpetrator must give a potlatch or a version of a potlatch to the offended family and the school.

Stop apologizing to the offenders for having been made that way - It’s a tiring argument that is wrong on so many levels… And then they walk away to hurt, kill, maim, and destroy others… Again, replicating the very factors that lead to their discounted crimes.

It seems as if the Legal system has assured its perpetuation for generations to come… Hmmm… Excuses, excuses, excuses - They were traumatized - Yah, we all are FFS!

Anyone who has lived in the North for any period of time know how disgustingly violent the North is - The main perpetuant - The Courts! Do yourself a favour - Go and sit through a day of Court to listen to the adjudicators of privilege craft fantastical rationalizations to excuse bad behaviours as being externally driven impulses nestled in a bed of trauma experiencing!

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Just Sayin' on Dec 12, 2022 at 10:11 am

Ok. Then kids who hit, cuss, slap, spit, and throw things at teachers should be immediately expelled or charged. Teachers take a lot of crap from students, parents, the government, and school councils. Where is the zero tolerance for working in an unsafe workplace? Where is the support for them?

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Thomas Brewer on Dec 12, 2022 at 8:59 am

It's appalling (but not surprising) that the Department of Ed is refusing to stand with their staff on this. Many teachers have been assaulted at Jack Hulland which is precisely why there are these time out rooms.

If you're going to fill a school with behaviour problematic and FAS kids (some of which are near adult sized!) you can't throw the teachers under the (school) bus when they take measures to deal with the situation.

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BnR on Dec 12, 2022 at 7:27 am

Politico, your comments re conservatives and cat O nine tails is off base.
There’s a huge difference between abuse and students facing consequences for their actions.
Many of us did go to grades 1 through 12 when there were consequences. The threat of “the strap” was enough. I don’t actually know anyone who did get the strap, ever, but it was the idea of it. The knowledge that getting hauled off to the principals office was also a deterrent as you knew they’d contact your parents and you’d get in more trouble at home.
We weren’t victims
Now, parents of kids with severe behavioural issues get dumped into the schools and our teachers spend an inordinate amount of time dealing with them rather than teaching the vast majority of our kids.
This whole Jack Hulland issue has been twisted to fit the narrative of literally 3 parents whose problem kids are disrupting the school environment for everyone. You can thank the social justice warriors at the CBC for that.
Our government and by extension the department of education needs to stop pandering to the tiny group of parents whose problem children belong in another educational stream rather than poisoning the system for the rest of our children and teachers.

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stephen on Dec 11, 2022 at 3:59 pm

First of all we should never had allowed the integration of classrooms of special needs students with regular students without ensuring that teachers have and had adequate support.

This was the biggest mistake of teachers across this country made was to buy into provincial governments saying hey lets integrate these special needs students into regular classrooms and we will ensure you have all the support.

Soon after the provincial and territorial governments cut back the funding and left the teachers to deal with the mess. Now you want to go after the teachers because of your incompetency. Wow just wow!

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John on Dec 10, 2022 at 10:28 pm

Kate you have lost all credibility. You support the liberals through hidden valley issue so your current cause is hypocritical.

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BnR on Dec 10, 2022 at 4:31 pm

The whole reason Jack Hulland has to deal with violent students is precisely because children don’t face consequences for their actions these days.
The NDP literally don’t have the ability to see the unintended consequences of their ideas.
Everybody’s a winner
Everyone gets a prize
Hugs for everyone!!!
Kate White for baker!!’

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TMYK on Dec 10, 2022 at 3:01 pm

So a bunch of people without kids are going to tell you how to parent.

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Politico on Dec 10, 2022 at 12:30 pm

What, no conservatives writing in saying they were regularly beaten with a cat o nines and drawn a quartered and they turned out okay!

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Distraction Dynamic on Dec 10, 2022 at 8:01 am

The NDP wants to use a complicated headline-grabbing situation and manipulate it to fit their oversimplified message without doing any of the real work.

Rather than tackling the complex subject of how physical restraint and corporal punishment are two different things… how teachers and staff can be overwhelmed by physical outbursts and student vs student violence… how FASD is the real persistent and preventable epidemic in the North that creates humans unable to project the consequences of their actions into the future or get themselves under control… how schools are way underfunded and filled with unqualified personnel as a result… how a culture of fear around doing the right thing or speaking up in any way cripples the day to day proper functioning of YG and deepens mistakes for political saving of face… how this will likely lead to entire classrooms being emptied of the calm children for their own safety and leaving the child experiencing a crisis in the classroom until a parent arrives to remove them physically… rather than working directly with the teacher’s union the NDP is supposedly a champion of to figure out the best way forward in cooperation with the best advice available… or the police being called on kids all the time as a result of no enforceable ‘time out’ mechanism run by staff…

If there are systemic failures or abuses at the school in a question, then the hard work should be done to understand and address those.

However, by oversimplifying all of this and picking a target that we could call the low-hanging fruit of the situation, the NDP shows us plainly why they are unfit for governance. A pattern of continuing to feed political tribal rage while one can simultaneously assess that no vision for what should replace these flawed systems exists within the party at any level. No one should be hitting or hurting children, obviously. Minimum physical intervention to prevent a child from hurting themselves or others should remain enshrined in law, however. Without that, no group dynamic of humans can function regardless of age. The NDP has become an agent of chaos and the kids will suffer for it.

Physical restraint of a child is an absolute necessity of parenting. By all means though, let’s put the fluid, creative, and magical minds of children and those who refuse to move on from emotional childishness in charge of our society. Let’s see what happens when we embrace these decadent and narcissistic follies driven by society’s largely unproductive outliers. Let’s all watch in muted horror as we step ever further into willful ignorance and enter another dark ages of minority rule by way of ‘ick’.

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I. Givvadamm; U. Kapeesh on Dec 9, 2022 at 11:01 pm

Ahhh yes! Talk to the little spazz-artist, beg them not to hit you, while turtling on floor, while your coworkers record the assault.

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Juniper Jackson on Dec 9, 2022 at 9:08 pm

There is a difference between a beating and a spanking. A difference between being in a locked room where you can't hurt yourself or anyone else, and being thrown chained to a wall in a dungeon. If a child is so badly behaved in a school that it requires a 'beating' or even a 'spanking' type of response then that child should not be in school at all. Kick them out and at 12? they can apply for MAID.

The Liberals and NDP should have been taught these differences at a young age, taught acceptable behaviors, instead of being allowed to grow up and become politicians.
Forget about TP.. stock up on birth control.

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bonanzajoe on Dec 9, 2022 at 4:48 pm

Here's a verse from the Proverbs. "Foolishness is bound up in a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from him". Here is another one, "The rod of correction imparts wisdom. Any child left to themselves will disgrace his mother". The lack of discipline is a plague to the nation and keeps our prisons full. But the NDP and their fellow Marxists want them free, roaming around like ravaging wolves. You will pay for your foolishness. And when it comes, don't blame the right wing conservatives.

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Homer J Simpson on Dec 9, 2022 at 4:37 pm

What most people call discipline the NDP call it abuse, that’s why if the dippers were in power we would be building fences to keep the riffraff out, now not every child turns out bad but if kids don’t listen in school they are not gonna listen when they are at work.

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bonanzajoe on Dec 9, 2022 at 4:34 pm

Kate White, you don't know what you're talking about. I and my 6 siblings spent 3 years in a Residential school. I also spent time in 7 foster homes. There was no physical or sexual abuse. I believe with all my heart and soul, at least 99% of the accusations against Res. Schools are based on lies. You madame don't know the truth. Talk to those who were there, not those who weren't. The Liberals are trying to legislate a law against "misinformation". Be careful the Libs and NDP may be the first to be charged. I'm getting angry and tired of you leftys always defending lies and deception.

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Homer J Simpson on Dec 9, 2022 at 4:11 pm

Hey Kate White and the NDP will do anything to stay in some measure of power, call an election and the Liberals and the NDP are all but eliminated.

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