Photo by Vince Fedoroff
WARDING OFF TROUBLE – Atlin, B.C. residents near the lake have added sandbags to the front of their properties, seen Saturday.
Photo by Vince Fedoroff
WARDING OFF TROUBLE – Atlin, B.C. residents near the lake have added sandbags to the front of their properties, seen Saturday.
Community Services Minister Richard Mostyn doesn’t deny he told the owner of a recreational property near Marsh Lake that her home might have to be sacrificed for the greater good.
Community Services Minister Richard Mostyn doesn’t deny he told the owner of a recreational property near Marsh Lake that her home might have to be sacrificed for the greater good.
In an interview with the Star this morning, Mostyn confirmed most of the information that several property owners in the Bayview Road area made in interviews in Friday’s edition.
They alleged the government closed off access to their properties in favour of protecting primary roads in the area and permanent residences.
“I did have a telephone conversation with one of the owners,” Mostyn said today. “I had a 15-20 minute conversation with her.”
He said he told the property owner he was relying on the advice of flood consultants retained by the government.
“It wasn’t my decision,” he said. “It was a very hard decision, but it was my duty. It was one of the earliest decisions we had to make.”
According to the best information he had, Mostyn said, it was too soon to start opening roads like Bayview as yet.
“We’re making the best decisions we can. It’s not a decision I would want to make myself. That’s why we have experts advising us.
“We’re not that familiar with floods here,” Mostyn added.
Kat Hallett, a government spokesperson, also issued a lengthy statement on the matter.
“The Southern Lakes flood incident is complex and things are changing day-by-day and sometimes by the hour,” she said.
“The Incident Management Team is working very hard, with expert advice from flood engineer experts and alongside property owners and volunteers to minimize the impact of the floodwaters on as many properties as possible.
“The team has been prioritizing work based on where mitigation efforts will provide the greatest mitigation to the flood impacting properties, and the Incident Management Team is asked to make some tough decisions to protect the safety of residents and their properties.”
Hallett said about the Bayview Road situation: “In this case, at the recommendation of the flood engineering experts brought in to advise the Incident Management Team, the flood waters had already overtaken the driveways and road access to four properties, power had to be cut off due to safety concerns, and in order to keep the waters from flooding the main road to the South McLintock subdivision, a superbag berm was constructed across the access point to the four properties.
“While this berm blocked off access to four properties, it was successful in maintaining the critical primary subdivision road access in the area to allow for construction of the water front dyke, emergency responder access and subdivision access for a majority of property owners,” the statement said.
“Unfortunately, this has meant that the residents of four properties on the Bayview Road have had to boat or walk in to their properties from the main road. We recognize this has caused challenges to access the seasonal residences.”
The statement added: Members of the Incident Management Team spoke to the owners of these properties to inform them of the rationale, risks, and as with all residents in the area made sure sand and sandbags were available for property owners.
“As well, the IMT would have discussed the option of voluntarily evacuating their properties while all properties remained on alert.
“We aim to protect all residents and properties, regardless of whether they are primary homes or recreational properties. However, in the early stages of response, resources must be triaged with the entire community and critical infrastructure in mind.”
Meanwhile, water levels on the big lakes are well below this year’s peak and are continuing to fall, according to numbers released this morning by the government.
The level of Bennett Lake is 24.4 centimetres below this summer’s peak.
The level of Tagish Lake is 23.4 centimetres below the peak while Marsh Lake is 26.1 centimetres below the peak.
Lake Laberge is 30.8 centimetres below the peak and the Yukon River at Whitehorse is 42.6 centimetres below this year’s peak.
The forecast is for rain overnight and tomorrow, but Yukon government hydrologist Anthony Bier said it’s not expected to have much of an impact.
While the forecast was originally calling for between 20 and 30 millimetres, Bier said, it’s now calling for 10 millimetres.
He said the larger quantities of rain are expected to fall north of Whitehorse.
This morning’s flood update says water levels may rise in response to the rain, but increases are not expected to be significant.
Flood warnings are being maintained for Lake Laberge and the Southern Lakes. A high stream flow advisory is being maintained for the Yukon River at Whitehorse.
– With a file from Chuck Tobin
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Comments (33)
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Geoff on Aug 9, 2021 at 5:44 am
To what degree is the sewage seepage and what are the fines for that?
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Observer on Aug 8, 2021 at 6:49 pm
Seems somewhat ironic that those that own property within the 100 metre high water mark reserve and their supporters are calling others elitist?? Everywhere in Canada the first 100 metres is supposed to be reserved for all, but not on Marsh Lake, seems pretty elitist to me, one has to have connections to make things like that happen?
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Elitist Party on Aug 7, 2021 at 10:35 pm
Hey John, I completely agree. It's ridiculous that the Liberals like Mostyn keep sloughing off responsibility to consultants. They should never have brought in so called 'experts' for the floods. Mostyn should be listening to the Yukoners who are directly affected instead.
We elect politicians to make decisions so they should just do so on their own. Same when it comes to Covid, the Liberals keep doing everything that Dr. Hanley says instead of relying on their own knowledge. The fact that the Liberals keep bringing in professional 'experts' for every different issue, makes me question their ability to lead. This was not the way under the Yukon Party government!
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John on Aug 7, 2021 at 12:07 pm
Surprise, surprise with this comment from Lord Mostyn of the Elitist Party of Yukon: “It wasn’t my decision,” he (Mostyn) said. “It was a very hard decision, but it was my duty. It was one of the earliest decisions we had to make.”
So we hire advising consultants because we are unable to get our own act together, then we allow them to make decisions about we have to do on our behalf, then the Lord himself as the audacity to say it wasn't my decision. Please, please don't throw your offal at me. I have news of his Worship the Lord on High - it is your responsibility in your esteem position to MAKE THOSE DAMN decisions. The buck stops with you or the Premier # 2. You AGAIN have failed in carrying out your duties by slough off your duty to a bloody consultant !!!
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Groucho d'North on Aug 7, 2021 at 10:32 am
@Obi
Waterside lots were established by the government of the day, zoning was changed primarily to accommodate friends and former bureaucrats. Government land development does not have a good record at times due to geography and forces beyond a developer's control, like changing water levels; subsurface clay layers land slides, forest fire threats, some even suggest that radon levels be considered in new land development.
Government does not manage risk, rather they will deal with situations as they arise because job one is to get more building lots on the market.
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Wilf Carter on Aug 7, 2021 at 3:47 am
What are lessons learned from the continued flooding?
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Moose on Aug 6, 2021 at 8:31 pm
Yes I agree Brent. I hope the Liberals don't do what the Yukon Party did in 2007 and use public tax dollars to bail out their buddies who built in a flood zone.
I'm sure the Yukon Party will come calling soon for the government to bail out all of their 'Good old boys club' members. And then they will turn around and scream about government debt. Just you watch.
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TheHammer on Aug 5, 2021 at 10:01 pm
Mostyn doesn't make hard decisions, he takes the path of least resistance; My way or the Hi way.
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martin on Aug 5, 2021 at 4:37 pm
How about those cabins encroaching onto "Public Reserve" of 100 ft from the lake's high water mark? Is the YG (or public funds) responsible?
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Brent on Aug 5, 2021 at 4:28 am
I see the appreciation for sand-baggers and the Army here by many. I am sure glad I didn't fill a one.
I would like to hear more about this re-survey and the cancelling of the high-water mark for building reference story.
I think someone from the Yukon Party can probably fill us in here.
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Bingo on Aug 4, 2021 at 7:00 pm
@yukoner75. Your comment makes no sense....a huge flood in 2007 caused the loss of some homes, a lot of damage to many others yet people should not have learned from this? Surely you would build back better lol and attempt to mitigate further incidences otherwise the definition of insanity prevails.
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Connor Firth on Aug 4, 2021 at 5:42 pm
Pretty sad that some people feel the need to disparage people going through crisis just because they arbitrarily believe they don't deserve help. Can't think of any other community in the territory that gets so much hate directed towards them simply because they exist. Thankfully, none of you are in a position of power or authority. To anyone whining about tax dollars: It is your duty to pay taxes, not to decide where they are spent. Grow up, we all pay them. Including the people who live in marsh lake.
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Groucho d'North on Aug 4, 2021 at 4:13 pm
Flood insurance for your home has traditionally not been available in Canada, and if it was, it was a very high price. Global warming is stimulating a rethink in Ottawa on flood insurance and relocation options for repeat flooding victims. Sounds like it is still a way over the horizon, but wheels are turning to address this issue.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/news/2020/11/government-of-canada-creates-task-force-on-flood-insurance-and-relocation.html
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Yukoner75 on Aug 3, 2021 at 9:36 pm
People saying that Yukon should be used to floods are ridiculous. One 'big' flood back in 2007 does not make anyone in Yukon an expert. There are many places in Manitoba, Quebec, New Brunswick etc which tend to have major floods every 2nd or 3rd year. Now THOSE would be places familiar with floods, not Yukon.
Disasters that Yukoners are familiar with are things like wildfires, avalanches and earthquakes. I think YG did the right thing by bringing in people who deal with much bigger and more serious floods on a regular basis.
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Obi on Aug 3, 2021 at 8:47 pm
Re: Stupid people build on a flood plain and should not be helped when a natural disaster occurs.
When Copper Ridge, or Mt Sima, or Wolf Creek get wiped out by a forest fire I hope to see the same stupid comments about people silly enough to build next to a Boreal Forest. What a bunch of Wankers!
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Bob on Aug 3, 2021 at 7:40 pm
So if the government is going to bail these home owners out for a natural disaster then when a wild fire goes though any part of the Yukon then they are bailing all those home owners out too? Right? Can the government confirm?
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Patricia on Aug 3, 2021 at 6:50 pm
The home owner's at Marsh Lake aren't elitist. The price of the properties out here are similar to Whitehorse. The original properties at Army Beach were small and close to the water. With erosion some surveyed properties in the Marsh Lake system are under water. Many families purchased their properties when the prices were reasonable and when it was zoned as recreational over thirty years ago but as time doesn't stand still zoning has been changed and residents have built regular homes out here. We are a community and live here because we love to be close to nature. A responsible Government provides services and assistance for the people, meaning all people, regardless of where they live.
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North_of_60 on Aug 3, 2021 at 3:25 pm
Taxpayers should not be paying compensation to people who made the mistake of locating their cottages where it floods.
Tax money should go to providing housing for the poor not compensating the well-connected elites for making mistakes.
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Dallas on Aug 3, 2021 at 12:25 pm
Wait till Riverdale and downtown Whitehorse flood, they are on a flood plain also or is that a different scenario?
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No more on Aug 3, 2021 at 11:57 am
It's pretty clear that all these place under threat are now in flood plains. Maybe flood plains that once flooded every hundred years but now flood every 15 years and eventually every year.
Insurance companies will turn their backs on these folks as will mortgage companies.
I'm 100% opposed to any tax dollars or YG sweat equity on any of these 'summer cottages' held by the elites when there is a massive housing crisis right across the Yukon.
Spend some tax $ on developing accessible land for the working poor ( a growing segment here) to build on.
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John Small on Aug 3, 2021 at 7:23 am
Definition of the tail wagging the dog,
informal
—used to describe a situation in which an important or powerful person, organization, etc., is being controlled by someone or something that is much less important or powerful
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moe on Aug 2, 2021 at 10:01 pm
That's it? They have to walk or boat to their properties? I thought 'their homes have to be sacrificed for the greater good' meant they were being destroyed. So put on your hip waders, be a real Yukoner, and carry on.
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Steve Palmer on Aug 2, 2021 at 7:21 pm
…so if there was flooding in 2007, or it happens every 5 years, like mentioned in the comments, then the property owners will surely have invested into some flood protection and there’s no reason to cry.
And I’m sure many did in the Marsh Lake area, and we only hear the crying of a few.
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Lost In the Yukon on Aug 2, 2021 at 7:01 pm
We’ll there you have it … following in the footsteps of his leader the Minister (elected to rule) is not responsible … just as Hanley makes the decisions that effect our social and economic live, guys hired by the Minister from Manitoba make the decisions regarding what road and properties are sacrificed … they don’t advice or recommend they decide and the Minister says “okay, but I’m not to blame right?”
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Agree on Aug 2, 2021 at 6:49 pm
Davis you took the words out of my mouth. I'm not sure why it's the government/tax payers job to "compensate" people who knowingly live and build in a flood zone. Anyone who lives lakeside should know that floods are always a risk. Almost everyone knew snow melt would be an issue this summer. Failure to plan ahead and prepare for this is no one's fault but the property owner. No one can claim surprise at this happening. I understand required government assistance for natural disasters, however, there is certainly a limit and homeowners need to accept the majority of responsibility.
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Douglas Martens on Aug 2, 2021 at 6:40 pm
As long as the southern lakes system can be held back by the approx. 200 large sandbags at the lock near the Lewes River bridge, Whitehorse should be able to ride this out. However, if there is erosion there from the volume of water moving through constantly and those sandbags fail the resulting tsunami flowing downriver will be anything but pleasant. Moving water is a force like few others, so here's hoping nothing like this takes place!
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local llama on Aug 2, 2021 at 5:07 pm
I have no sympathy for people's "recreational properties"... Sorry not sorry.
Like many people have said, some of these properties were put into low lying areas because they were well connected to previous governments. Adding to that the risk of building in low areas and the history of floods in the area. I appreciate the response, triaging is necessary and people should think about personal responsibility... Isn't that what people cry about on here re: covid and masks? Can't have it both ways.
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JustSayin' on Aug 2, 2021 at 5:04 pm
If you live above the 100 yr high water mark, the onus should be on you to deal with your property. If YTG forks out money again to repair houses which we knew would flood and will flood again, then they have created a precedent and I'm buying lake front property...
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Nathan Living on Aug 2, 2021 at 4:59 pm
The minister is relying on expert advice and I can see why he is doing so.
If I had a cabin in the flood zone and knowledge of 2007 flood levels my approach would be to jack it up and put cribbing under it. Sand bagging just gets you through the season and floods will happen again.
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Bingo on Aug 2, 2021 at 3:26 pm
“Not familiar” think all the way back to circa 2007!
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Davis on Aug 2, 2021 at 3:11 pm
I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for the Marsh Lake residents whose homes keep flooding every 5 years. Every 5 years when it happens they scream and cry like it was totally unforeseen and expect the government and taxpayers to bail them out.
I used to wonder "when will they learn from their (many) past mistakes?". I then realized that they have already learned their lesson, which is that they don't have to take any responsibility for building in the 5 year flood zone because government and tax payers will just bail them out again and again.
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joe on Aug 2, 2021 at 3:08 pm
“We’re not that familiar with floods here,” Mostyn added. Ya right, the exact same place flooded in 2007, same places, same floods... and then our government says were not familiar with floods!!... please fail pension plan coalition so we can have another election.
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Ernie Bourassa on Aug 2, 2021 at 3:05 pm
It would be nice if the Minister would get his facts straight first. Bayview Road is not closed off and the properties in question are not on Bayview Road but rather their access road comes off Siuth Mclintock Road which is south of Bayview Road.