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Sports complex proposal heading back to council

Tony Gaw, who heads up the Yukon Outdoor Sports Complex Association, is describing the group as “happy and excited” after Monday’s council meeting.

By Stephanie Waddell on November 24, 2015

Tony Gaw, who heads up the Yukon Outdoor Sports Complex Association, is describing the group as “happy and excited” after Monday’s council meeting.

During the proceedings, Coun. Samson Hartland informed council he would bring forward a notice of motion on Dec. 14 to reconsider zoning for the proposed facility.

Last April, a 3-3 vote by the previous council defeated a zoning amendment for the proposed facility, which would include artificial turf soccer pitches and a rubberized running track in Whistle Bend. (Any tie vote of council means a motion is defeated.)

It’s also been noted that future phases could include facilities for other outdoor sports.

While the Yukon government has committed $8 million to building the facility, the association would handle operational costs, which would be paid for through user fees.

During discussions around the zoning by the previous council, members expressed fears of the city eventually getting hit with the operations if the user fees don’t cover the expenses.

Questions also emerged around the need for such a facility in the city and whether the general public wants land in Whistle Bend to be used for it.

Proponents argue a dedicated outdoor soccer and track site is needed for athlete development and because of the poor condition of the current outdoor fields (which can be used by anyone) in the city.

Gopher holes, dog feces and things like broken sprinkler heads have all been found around fields in town.

It was also pointed out by a number of supporters that such a facility could attract major sporting events like the Western Canada Games.

“We think it’s a very positive development for Whitehorse and the Yukon,” Gaw again stressed in an interview this morning.

He said the group is looking forward to once again bringing the project to council – which includes three members from the previous council – prior to discussion on Dec. 14.

The project’s design has changed since it was presented to council last April. It’s now estimated to cost about $5.5 million to build, with two soccer pitches and the eight-lane track.

The most recent design was unveiled at an open house earlier this fall.

Gaw said the group will present the design to the new council, though most council members attended the open house.

He said he’s “cautiously optimistic” the zoning will proceed under the new council.

After last night’s council meeting, Hartland pointed out he had said he would bring the matter back for council discussion during his election campaign.

As he pointed out, when it came forward in the spring, there were a number of other issues around it that council brought up outside of the zoning application.

Hartland said he respects the views of all other council members. However, he would like to see the matter discussed again with the focus on zoning, which is what council is being asked to consider.

Questioned about the issue of future operations, Hartland emphasized the need to be “very cognizant” of any potential expenses the city may face. He also pointed out the city could seek a written agreement that it would not be on the hook for any operational costs.

It could take some convincing, though, to get other council members onside.

Mayor Dan Curtis, who voted against second reading of the rezoning last April, told reporters last night he has not seen any changes to the proposal that have convinced him the facility is needed in the city.

“There are some concerns,” he said, arguing the need for greater general public input on the facility.

“What is the necessity of this?” the mayor asked.

A number of recreational facilities in communities around the territory need repairs that could be funded instead of building a new facility that will have significant ongoing operational costs, he pointed out.

The city provides grants to a number of existing facilities to assist with operations along with running the Canada Games Centre, he said.

There’s a need to have an “iron clad” agreement in place that the city wouldn’t be on the hook for operational costs for a new facility that’s only open a few months each year.

“Ultimately, we could really get hung out to dry,” Curtis said.

The issue will come back to council Dec. 14 for discussion. If council votes to reconsider the rezoning, members would then vote on second reading.

Only if that passes would third reading and adoption of the change be voted on.

Yukon government officials said this morning there was nothing new to add on the matter. It will look at whether the city wants additional information as the process moves along.

Comments (38)

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Fhsi on Nov 30, 2015 at 10:03 pm

I'm a teenage girl, not young, 16-17. I'm athletic, I play soccer, and I'm on the field a lot more than expected. I hate this idea. I hope that it is denied again and again until the issue is gone. 8 million? I know its at estimated 5.5 million now but before when the cost was 8mil, why the heck build a whole new centre? If there was really that much money waiting to be used (which there shouldn't be THAT much considering it could help with the well-being of citizens, especially the single mothers/fathers, homeless, hungry, etc) why not spend 2mil on the 3 high school fields, maybe add a a running track in one or whatever, some lights, fence, stands, whatever the heck ya want. Extra 2mil there. 5.5mil now? Why not do the same.. spend a bit on each field, and restrict the dog-use activity to one or two smaller/less used fields. If you did that and Whitehorse did end up hosting WCG or tournament, we would still have the proper playing areas. When are these to be used anyways? 8 of the 12 months will be under snow, why put so much money into something that isn't exactly needed? I mean my outdoor soccer season is only a few months long.. I just think there are better and cheaper ways of a more thought-out agreement.

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Yukoner 67 on Nov 29, 2015 at 11:36 am

"Do some research on Juneau's sport models, youth involved versus the youth crime rate." You really nailed it there! There is no in between for youth - its either sports or crime (sarcasm). I thought kids sometimes read books, played video games, watched movies, just hung out in general, but I guess not. If we don't get this soccer field in Pooville, crime will surely sky rocket!

I also like Josey's idea, lets build a motocross in door facility since money is no consideration, I bet just as many kids would use that too!

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Lost in the Yukon on Nov 27, 2015 at 2:27 pm

Hartland is simply shilling for the Yukon Party. They are calling the shots because they are in absolute panic mode wanting to get as many capital projects using tax payer money, up and running before they call an election. They want to be able to point to all the great things they have done. Of course it matters not that they have taken down the surplus from about $70,000,000 4 years ago to around $20,000,000 today - which means the great financial wizard that the Pharmacist claims to be is bunk. He has been running deficits every year he has been in charge of the purse strings.

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Josey Wales on Nov 26, 2015 at 7:22 pm

If this goes any further forward than it currently is at?
That will be the absolute proof that either we are a village of idiots (gawd does that ring true these days) and/or...corruption up here is in fact more plentiful than conifers.

To the other end of the spectrum of stupid for illustration purposes...there is more users and fans of motorsports...all ages represented.
Perhaps we should build a GIANT indoor mega-plex JUST for X games, dirt bike/sled racing, drone racing these days too even.
Really with all the southern taxes we PISS away with our entitlement syndrome omni-present?
Why not a facility that can hold 1/4 mile drags indoors...I mean if we are that daft to even HAVE this "soccer" conversation...why not piss a few more 10's of millions of them southern taxes.
Think of the kiddies, there may be less crime and gunfights, crackheads, meth addicts, vandals if the young ones had somewhere they could bond with their care givers in the pits having a place.

OK I know the motorsports mega-plex is completely over the top ridiculous.
Too bad other felt not about this...as SHOULD have been the response.
What the hell happened to this place in the last 25 years?
Anyone? Is it the water? Should we get it tested for traces of itallaboutmeitious?
new slogan for THE Yukon...Yukon territory the arrogance and entitlement will mystify you.

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north_of_60 on Nov 26, 2015 at 5:40 pm

@BnR

The shops and related services in the old MSB can be much less expensively provided with a new industrial-style building added to the existing bus barn.

There is plenty of vacant office space downtown for the other services in the MSB. The "Castle-on-the-Hill" is simply not justified.
This Mayor and Council needs to learn how to live within our means, using less and using it more efficiently.

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CJ on Nov 26, 2015 at 5:34 pm

Living within your means is a beautiful thing. The Yukon government (now and in future) should start thinking about that.

I think the true cost and sustainability of the CGC is a well-guarded secret. And even if I didn't have doubts, why would it's success mean the soccer field would be a success? It might just bleed support, making both facilities struggle.

The pro-soccer group here has certainly worked themselves into an incoherent lather. What's going on?

And the "it's just rezoning" claim -- that is the oldest, tiredest trick in the municipal arsenal and it's no coincidence Doug Graham, ex-councillor, started this ball rolling prematurely. Hopefully people have gotten smarter about that tactic, including council.

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Just Say'in on Nov 26, 2015 at 4:09 pm

Council look hard and long at these numbers of Thumbs down. You just don't see that kind of unity and numbers on most subjects. "Theres yer Sign"

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Salar on Nov 26, 2015 at 2:20 pm

Two thumbs up.....your argument (s) ARE lame........anyone so desperate to equate alcoholism to the lack of an elite 4 month of the year sports facility, built SO out of the way, can not be taken seriously.
Would everyone stop bragging about the Yukon, it attracts too many thumb upper types.

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Pierre on Nov 26, 2015 at 11:00 am

So Mr "Thumbs up" would like the field and track so we can TRY and get the 2023 games. That is some business case my friend! Stink factor pretty well over the top. This is what one economist would say defines a "boondoggle". Our government and country for that matter are going to be on hard times for the foreseeable future. We do not need higher taxes and under utilized facilities. Although this is just in the zoning application phase, Mayor and Council have a duty to put this matter to bed! Bon nuit!!

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LD on Nov 26, 2015 at 8:46 am

I've always been on the fence about this. On one hand it absolutely would be a wonderful asset to our community but on the other its such a huge expense - is this really what we need right now? I mean it's not that many fields so I'm sure there will still be sports being played on other un-maintained fields around the city so why is this such a rush? Maybe I am missing something about the "why" this complex needs to be the first thing the city takes care of.
My understanding as well is that this is an outdoor complex (maybe I am wrong) so would it not still be un-usable for many months of the year.
I would also like to see this project go back to tender to give Yukon companies another chance to bid and hopefully have one of them win. If we are going to build this thing it would be nice to see as many Yukoners as possible benefit; not just the sports crowd.
I am 100% in support of sports and youth sports- I grew up playing soccer indoor and outdoor- but I don't agree that this complex will fix our criminal problems here.

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BnR on Nov 26, 2015 at 6:47 am

For this of you.....
With respect to building a new municipal services building, that's called investing in the city's infrastructure, not investing in bling. Same as a home owner deciding whether to fix or upgrade his homes insulation, or buy a new boat. The current MSB is the old Cassiar Asbestos building, and it's a piece of junk, the entire heating system needs to be replaced, it's too small for the city's equipment, it essentially has no insulation, I could go on and on. Citizens demand essential services such as snow removal, garbage pick up etc. The equipment used for these services require maintenance and storage. Replacing a 60 year old building to ensure the equipment can be kept running properly just makes sense. It's not sexy like a rubberized running track and artificial turf stadium, but it is necessary.

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To north of 60 on Nov 26, 2015 at 12:21 am

North of 60 says: Then, start holding bake sales and raffles to raise funds for your hobby like any other volunteer organization does. Don't expect the taxpayers who have no interest in your two week sports parties to pay for it.

That two week sports party, as you call it, has many positive tourism spinoffs and economic spinoffs. That's what everybody is complaining about it $, so job creation from holding an event of that magnitude is huge. As well, facilities get built for the game and then they are there after for Yukoners to enjoy. But I suppose you never go to the CGC 'sports palace', swimming, skating, skiing or otherwise, or you would know how great it is with all of the recreational opportunities we have here. And I would support this with fundraising or any other means, but so many people, including D Curtis and his 5 minute speech on CBC this morning, won't even give this any kind of chance. Curious, N of 60, do you drink, as I know most complain there is nothing to do and that's why they party so much…that's why we have the highest DRINKING RATE PER CAPITA right here, alcoholism rules in Yukon.

@I'm a teacher says "the naysayers would rather just have drive by shootings and not support healthy communities for youth and their activities.
The small but active socio-economic minority that do crimes are not going to stop because your sports palace is open. Opening the CGC didn't reduce youth crime. I'm appalled that a teacher would try that lame argument."

You can call my argument lame, but I see very troubled kids committing very awful crimes, including drug dealing, brutally murdering teenage girls, break and enters, stealing….and I have to say that the only way to help youth is to have something more meaningful for them to do. If that means playing hockey, joining the swim team, working out at the CGC, shooting hoops, then I support that. You have no idea how much more crime could be happening without all of the opportunities and volunteer coaches we have working with youth. And do you know how much it is for even one youth to be in jail for a year? Facilities are cheap compared to that.

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To J.Jackson on Nov 26, 2015 at 12:06 am

June Jackson writes: "... in case you haven't noticed..it's not good times in Whitehorse for anyone but teachers and doctors and they are at Mt. Sima. "
Sorry but you did insult both professions with these comments….I guess teachers and doctors aren't affected by any economic downturn, in your mind anyways and no teachers or doctors have been out of work due to economics. Of course I wish for nobody to get cancer…I'm simply saying that you're blanket statement of teachers and doctors at Sima is ridiculous and you should respect the doctors and teachers we have here instead of slamming them. Many people use Sima, CG Center, Gymnastics facility, baseball fields, Millennium trail, wilderness/cycling/hiking trails.. Many people would use an outdoor soccer facility and rubberized track too. Same was said of CWG and it was a complete success and left a legacy for youth and families to enjoy.

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Rosa Delanor on Nov 25, 2015 at 9:12 pm

I also do not want the cost of the proposed facility. It is not free, as some people are insisting. No cost to the City. That is a complete fallacy. YTG money is tax money. We, and everyone else in Canada worked for that money. Contributor Same old Story has the right of it.

JWhite said it best. "But I want to live in a community that provides the absolute very best that it can afford to its citizens."

I also want the best that we can afford. We can not afford this. When a Community increases property tax every single year, that is an indication that the governing council is not able to adequately manage their finances. The last council was replaced largely because of its inability to live within its means.

Times are tight in the Yukon. Even for people with the well paying jobs. Worse for some as they are living in $500K homes and the tax hit is atrocious.

My advice to council is to guard our dollars and spend them wisely.

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Grangerer on Nov 25, 2015 at 5:44 pm

I don't buy the 'this is just for zoning' line. We all know where this is going to lead, and the inevitable pressure at each step to get the ball rolling until suddenly the project is too far along to stop. Also Hartland I would wager you didn't get elected to push this agenda and you'll be right back out of that seat as quick as you went into it if you start jacking voters around.

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Just let it go on Nov 25, 2015 at 4:24 pm

GIVE IT UP ALREADY.

I think enough people have expressed their thoughts towards this and are opposed. Get over it. Fix what we have already if they are that bad. This thing will end up the same way once the novelty wears off.

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JWhite on Nov 25, 2015 at 4:01 pm

Well, CJ, I want Mayor Curtis to be cognizant of the fact that, as Mayor, his job is to make decisions that are best for the citizens of Whitehorse. If he wants to consider Government of Yukon spending priorities when making decisions, then he should run for territorial council and do it in that role.

Sometimes I think that some people are only going to be happy if we put a fence across the highway, with a sign "new ideas not welcome. Go back now.:"
I will never use the soccer facility. I don't even know anyone that will. Similarly, I have never and will never use the ski hill.

But I want to live in a community that provides the absolute very best that it can afford to its citizens. I want innovative, competitive, smart young people to want to move to Whitehorse and hopefully some of them will work here for our various levels of government. And yes, I'm willing to pay for that.

Alternatively, we can all continue to say no to every new idea. We can stagnate and spend our timing pining for the good old days.

And please can we stop the nonsense about "elite" sports? Get real folks - take a few minutes to go online and check out the price of all of the sports available in Whitehorse. Skiing is no more elite than hockey or figure skating. But how can it possibly be a bad thing to provide our young people with the very best opportunities to explore various sports and other activities? Surely that can only be a good way to spend our taxes.

I hope that, when council revisits the issue of the soccer field and running track, they deal with it as a zoning issue. That's what it is. This council is not being asked to put up any money. If, down the road, that does become an issue, then the council of the day should deal with it.

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for those of you praising Mayor Curtis' position on this - on Nov 25, 2015 at 3:12 pm

Remember, this is the same guy who wants to build a brand spankin' new City facility instead of fixing or remediating the old ones. And to say 'We don't need this' about the facility in Whistle Bend is a bit ironic. Ultimately tho, it's the mayor and council's role to examine the zoning, not to push their opinions about this facility.

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north_of_60 on Nov 25, 2015 at 3:09 pm

@I'm a teacher says "a proponent to this outdoor facility, I am, solely because I want the Western Canada Summer Games to come here in 2023"

Then, start holding bake sales and raffles to raise funds for your hobby like any other volunteer organization does. Don't expect the taxpayers who have no interest in your two week sports parties to pay for it.

@I'm a teacher says "the naysayers would rather just have drive by shootings and not support healthy communities for youth and their activities."

The small but active socio-economic minority that do crimes are not going to stop because your sports palace is open. Opening the CGC didn't reduce youth crime. I'm appalled that a teacher would try that lame argument.

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Mindful on Nov 25, 2015 at 3:03 pm

Follow the money on this project and watch where it leads... something is rotten here

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June Jackson on Nov 25, 2015 at 3:01 pm

Attention " Mr./Mrs. June Jackson thumbs down, Western Canada Games thumbs up"

Why would you threaten me with cancer and chemo, bad karma if I don't agree with you? That is very hurtful. I re read my comments and I did not comment on anyone being overpaid..and I certainly did not refer to any group as ass*****.

"I'm a teacher and I work my a$# off --and I don't go to Sima, so if you're implying that teachers and doctors are overpaid, downhill skiing a$%holes, I'd think twice as you bring bad karma on yourself. If you get sick and need chemo, you might just have to use the services of one of doctors you are insulting. " I have already been sick, had chemo, radiation and have no breasts. Does that fulfill your need to bring harm to me?

I certainly do not wish any ill will on you for supporting a soccer field. I have said many times that I value everyone's opinion.

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Curtis on Nov 25, 2015 at 2:29 pm

Does know what he talking about. The City is only required to rule on the zoning not the merits of the project which Dan Curtis has done in the past.

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Buford on Nov 25, 2015 at 2:27 pm

I've lived in a lot of cities the same size or near as Whitehorse and none of them had a six million (6,000,000.00) dollar Soccer stadium. Are the proponents sure we can afford this facility? I think there are many other projects in the city that could use this money than a Soccer Stadium being as there are plenty of fields that are not being fully used as it is. This Stadium is something that a major southern city would have along with a much greater tax base. I like Dan Curtis's approach on this matter.

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Negative behavior on Nov 25, 2015 at 2:26 pm

Not wonder the City is going down.

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Same Old Story on Nov 25, 2015 at 1:57 pm

I think Whitehorse residents are gun shy of these recreational facilities that are always proposed under the guise of free YTG or federal money that will cost the homeowners of Whitehorse nothing. Its' always promised that these facilities will be wonderful for everyone and solve all the cities problems with youth, etc. Really how can anyone be so negative as to be against them?
Then a few years goes by after construction is complete, the initial euphoria wears off and a different story inevitably emerges. We start hearing how it was naïve to ever think this wouldn't cost city taxpayers, and in spite of everyone's best intentions it is now an unfortunate reality that in order to survive at some point the city will have to take over O&M of the facility. The story is inevitably that the facility is either A; underutilized so user fees don't cover costs or B; overused which has lead to unforeseen O&M costs. YTG funding has by now long since run out and guess who is ultimately on the hook to cover the O&M? You guessed it, ultimately everyone who owns a home in this town. At that point if city council and management protests about a situation that was never supposed to have happened in the first place, they are vilified and made out to be the Grinch who doesn't support our children and the Canadian way of life as we know it. The groups who advocate for these facilities then hold protests and demonstrations and apply pressure to the city until it usually (not always) caves and shells out even more of taxpayer money for the benefit of the users.
We've seen it over and over again and we don't buy it anymore!

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ProScience Greenie on Nov 25, 2015 at 1:34 pm

$5.5 million of our tax dollars could go to a lot of scholarships for kids, athletic and non-athletic, to obtain a post-secondary education.

With the economy looking more and more trashed in the Yukon and so many out of work perhaps spending on these kinds of projects should be put on hold. There must be many in Whitehorse that will be scrambling to pay their city taxes and other bills this year. They won't be able to afford the increased taxes that this project will cause because it can be guaranteed that the proponents will soon be looking for extra funding in the near future. Just the way it is in the Yukon.

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CJ on Nov 25, 2015 at 12:37 pm

Agreements to never go to the city for funds have little meaning. Corporate memory is so short in the territory and five or 10 years down the road, it takes little imagination to know the call will be "this facility is so beloved, other cities fund these facilities, the city funds this and that already, we're being unfairly neglected blah blah blah". Anyone who raises a signed agreement will get push back much like what's already here. By the way, I get pretty tired of being insulted -- or anyone else being insulted -- because they're raising valid questions about these blue sky ideas.

Juneau has a different climate from Whitehorse. The only thing that bothers me more than the attempt to stifle disagreement is calling up other cities, like that should be the final word. And then there's the suggestion that anyone who isn't in sports only has drugs to turn to. How about more money for the libraries?

I want Curtis to continue to be thoughtfully skeptical.

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Ken Kenny on Nov 25, 2015 at 11:42 am

It looks as though we need some recall legislation for Whitehorse council if we are going to have Councillors chasing down personal agendas on already hashed over issues so that they can sell more cans of salmon to the tourists, taxpayer be damned.

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why all the negativity? on Nov 25, 2015 at 10:17 am

Why all the negativity around this? if the organizing group can guarantee that they will not ask the City for their precious tax dollars (because everyone would rather have the meridians landscaped for ridiculous amounts of money). Why not change the zoning? Everybody already "hates Whistle Bend and would never buy land up there. I have read this over and over in the comments. It has been called Waste Land Bend forever. So why not use some of that clear cut land for this facility?
Everybody is so scared of change and possible progress - what are you worried about? Running out of things to complain about? I'm sure you'll figure something out! Everybody want the funds for this to go to low cost housing but they don't want the low cost housing in this neighborhood because it is too far from downtown... Nobody wants the seniors complex in this neighborhood for the same reason, yet nobody has suggestions on where else is viable. Artificial Turf is in Juneau and they start their season in March or April depending on whether they can remove the snow that early, then the season runs until October, so it is more than just two months of season... it is half the year, and for those that don't know running inside and playing soccer inside are entirely different than playing outside. We are getting more and more competitive outside and our players are getting noticed outside. Some are getting scholarships outside because of their dedication to sport. Why would we not encourage that? They will be the one paying taxes here soon enough and they are probably not the ones doing the car shopping, partying or drugs. They are athletes in training. Do some research on Juneau's sport models, youth involved versus the youth crime rate. We may save money by investing in them in a healthier way.

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Stu Whatman on Nov 25, 2015 at 9:27 am

I support this facility!

Any time you can get millions of dollars in government funding and then pay people to run a facility and stay in the black it's good for everyone involved.

I wish there were additional sports complexes like this within city limits for additional sports but closer to areas like Mary Lake. We have transfer payments which are very generous why not use this funding to make this the best place to live in Canada.

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BnR on Nov 25, 2015 at 6:42 am

Samson's Yukon Party handlers will be pushing their man on council to move this forward. I think Mayor Curtis's cautious approach is best for all of us.

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June Jackson thumbs down, Western Canada Games thumbs up on Nov 24, 2015 at 11:13 pm

Hey June, watch who you're slamming. I'm a teacher and I work my a$# off --and I don't go to Sima, so if you're implying that teachers and doctors are overpaid, downhill skiing a$%holes, I'd think twice as you bring bad karma on yourself. If you get sick and need chemo, you might just have to use the services of one of doctors you are insulting.
As for being a proponent to this outdoor facility, I am, solely because I want the Western Canada Summer Games to come here in 2023 and in order to hold a two week, multi sport event, bringing in thousands of people, we need facilities to host. We need a running track. FH Collins track was torn up--and it wasn't rubberized anyways. The WCSG will bring in tourism, showcase the Yukon, and have many economic spinoffs. Oh, but I forgot: the naysayers would rather just have drive by shootings and not support healthy communities for youth and their activities. The same type of people naysayed CWG and look at all we got for our community from that event, including the wonderful and widely used CGS. Support this facility and look at the long term vision.

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Beleaugered taxpayer on Nov 24, 2015 at 6:48 pm

"Proponents argue a dedicated outdoor soccer and track site is needed for athlete development and because of the poor condition of the current outdoor fields (which can be used by anyone) in the city.

Gopher holes, dog feces and things like broken sprinkler heads have all been found around fields in town." This information is in direct conflict with the testimony give by Parks & Rec Director Ms. Pratt at last Aprils defeated rezoning meeting. She stated that all 13 fields were in top shape and that they were grossly under utilized. Mr Gaw's O&M estimate was also way off base as he thought they would be around $20,000 when Councillor Gladish informed the meeting that Mt. McIntyre's O&M costs come in at $200,000.00 and that is with a fair bit of volunteer work. (There's more but this will do for now.)

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north_of_60 on Nov 24, 2015 at 6:09 pm

The YTG will build anything possible in Wasteland Bend in an attempt to cover up and justify the monumental mistakes they've made there so far.
Of course the CoW would be stuck with the cost of upkeep once anything is built.

It's good to see Mayor-Dan taking a critical role:
“What is the necessity of this?” the mayor asked. A number of recreational facilities in communities around the territory need repairs that could be funded instead of building a new facility that will have significant ongoing operational costs, he pointed out.

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Bob Scott on Nov 24, 2015 at 5:37 pm

If there are facilities in Yukon that are well used and poorly maintained, the gov. tax payers money should go there first. If not, then fund this project with a written agreement very clearly stating Whitehorse tax payers will never ever have to pay for operating costs nor any kind of loans or grants. Further, vet the proposal to absolutely insure this cannot happen. Is the business case real or pie in sky. Anyone remember Mount Sima or Mount Mac!?

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June Jackson1 on Nov 24, 2015 at 4:40 pm

I guess the new council isn't looking for a re-election. If taxpayers get stuck with the bill on this limited use piece of **** you're going to have a real problem the next time you jack the taxes.. in case you haven't noticed..its not good times in Whitehorse for anyone but teachers and doctors and they are at Mt. Sima.

Off to a good start..it looks like this council is going to turn into a sour disappointment.

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Chicka bow bow on Nov 24, 2015 at 4:18 pm

No thanks to a single use facility like this.

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CJ on Nov 24, 2015 at 4:15 pm

The air of entitlement around this project really gets to me. Mayor Curtis actually raised some really good points, especially about the level of use of the indoor facility. I think what bugs me the most is dismissing the outdoor fields because they're in bad shape, according to the group. Why didn't they advocate for a better maintenance program years ago?

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