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STRUCTURAL STEEL WORK HALTED – Shifting ground conditions have halted structural steel work at the new $147-million extended health care facility in the Whistle Bend subdivision.

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Work is continuing at other locations on the project site. Completion is scheduled for April 2018.

Ground problems stall work on care facility

Shifting ground has halted major structural steel work at the new Whistle Bend extended care facility,

By Chuck Tobin on March 24, 2017

Shifting ground has halted major structural steel work at the new Whistle Bend extended care facility, Public Works Minister Richard Mostyn confirmed this morning.

Mostyn told the Star he learned Tuesday the PCL Construction of Edmonton has sent home the Edmonton company subcontracted to erect the structural steel until it can assess the situation caused by the shifting ground.

The minister said he does not yet have answers to specific questions regarding the situation – but getting them is certainly a priority.

In fact, Mostyn pointed out, after hearing concerns being raised about construction of the new $147-million, 150-bed extended care facility, he instructed his staff five weeks ago to obtain an independent engineer’s assessment of the project.

“At the moment, there appears to be a problem with the foundation at the Whistle Bend site,” the minister said of the information he was given this week.

“The foundation has apparently shifted, is what I have been told.

“PCL is not wanting to put on the section that does not have steel yet because they are assessing the foundation where they have not put up steel.”

The Star has learned shifting ground has also halted work on a large section of the building where a good portion of structural steel has already been put up, though the minister said he does not have any information about that particular aspect of the project.

How long it will take to assess the problem, what might be involved in correcting it, if anything, and whether there will be any delays in the overall completion, Mostyn said he’s not yet received the information.

“Some good questions, and to be honest with you, I have asked myself the very same.”

Mostyn said all he knows today in terms of the overall schedule is that completion is scheduled for April 2018, and he’s not heard anything different.

Whether this week’s developments have added any urgency to completing the independent engineer’s assessment he commissioned, the minister simply said the matter was urgent, period.

“I certainly know there is a tremendous need for those beds in this community,” he said. “This is an important project, and we have to make sure it is done right.”

PCL’s head office in Edmonton was contacted this morning.

The Star was told by email from PCL’s media department that all questions regarding the Whistle Bend project were to be directed to the Department of Highway and Public Works.

The location of the new facility has been the subject of debate since it was announced by the former Yukon Party government.

Opposition, including opposition from Liberal Premier Sandy Silver when he was the lone Liberal MLA in the legislature, was centred largely around having such a facility so far from the downtown area and the Whitehorse General Hospital facilities.

Even then-Health and Social Services Minister Doug Graham said the location chosen was not an ideal one.

There was also opposition to having a “warehouse” type facility as opposed to smaller, extended health care facilities spread throughout Whitehorse and the rest of the Yukon communities.

While not as pronounced, there were also questions about the suitability of ground conditions in Whistle Bend.

PCL was awarded the contract to design and build the project for $114 million in December 2015.

The total project cost is estimated at $147 million.

The then-Yukon Party government announced it was planning on a 300-bed facility, but would begin with 150 beds first and then be added onto when required.

The Liberals have since said they will not proceed with the second 150 beds.

In an undisguised criticism of the previous government, Mostyn said had he been around when the project began, he would have made sure right from the start that the ground conditions were suitable.

Comments (36)

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Mandeep are you running for mayor in the next municipal? on Mar 30, 2017 at 2:35 pm

What did you say when it was brought up during the last municipal election?
What education and experience do you have in these types of projects?
If you did have experience you would bring up the statement about researching the soil.
In understanding soil conditions without seeing what's in there, soil conditions cannot be determined.
When the Canadian Tire store was built the soil conditions were as such, the soil had to removed and replaced with clean soil.
You might remember that, because your family did the trucking.

Wilf Carter, potential candidate for mayor, of the City of Whitehorse.

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There is an explanation on Mar 30, 2017 at 2:29 pm

Today's online CBC has a report of an interview with the contractor. His explanation makes sense. The sky is not falling. Of course, there are those who will insist that it is, and nothing is going to change their minds. Similarly, there are people who simply won't accept the fact that Whistle Bend is not out in the boonies, or that large pod-like structures have proven to be the most effective and efficient method of delivering appropriate care to this segment of society. It's a long term care facility not a retirement home. There is a difference.

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There is minor on Mar 30, 2017 at 1:06 pm

problem with this site and someone wants to make it more than it is, including our own ministers.

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There should be pile on Mar 30, 2017 at 12:42 pm

of cases built in this location to support the building.

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Never fails is correct on Mar 29, 2017 at 5:30 pm

This is major mistake by the liberal minister to use the government system for politics. Minister has destroyed the credibility of the Yukon Government administration and this liberal government.
People have advised the liberal government of negative politics it does not work and turns people off.
This shows weak support for the ministers and they don't listen like the last government who did not know what it was doing either.
The people of the Yukon we have had a mostly failed government over the last six years and the NDP would put us to asleep for good.
Yukon Party was terrible as communications and the liberals are even worse.

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Bud McGee on Mar 29, 2017 at 4:55 pm

I agree with Average Joe. The foundation work likely occurred in fall and the silty material got saturated. Then it froze, and caused frost heaving issues. It's okay to do this type of work in fall, but you need to factor in site conditions. If you have free-draining gravels then it's not a problem. However, in silty sands it is a problem.

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Erik on Mar 28, 2017 at 5:58 pm

That building could be placed in the middle of Lake Laberge and be stable if it is designed properly. This is a PCL problem. Norcope did the ground prep, has anyone looked at the quality of their work?

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Never Fails on Mar 27, 2017 at 2:24 pm

Yep lots of people throwing rocks before they know all the facts including the new Minister who sounds like he has no clue about anything either, just wants to blame people. Can't wait until this New Liberal Government starts screwing up the Yukon and projects and then see how they react to their blunders with nobody to blame but themselves. Everyone always so quick to pick apart and belittle instead of seeing the good in things, everything gets hickups, nothing or no one is perfect, grow up, including you Mr. Minister Mostwhine!

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Groucho d'North on Mar 27, 2017 at 10:56 am

NIMBY-ism- this is what it costs. Whistlebend came into being because many in the Whitehorse area did not want to see any development near them. So the one remaining area that had not been selected in the Land Claim land lottery was used for the housing development that was so desperately needed (see how it filled up with new housing despite all the negativity?) The economics of the extended care facility were best served for future O&M by creating a complex rather than spreading the large expense all over the community driving the costs to the stratosphere. Sure the governments made some mistakes along the way- but the public were the ones who said NO to alternative development options in other locations. Reap what ye sow.

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bb on Mar 27, 2017 at 9:53 am

I recall an engineer saying whoever okayed that site should lose their license because the ground wasn't right for the building. He was shot down in flames for being alarmist and negative or something like that. Who was that guy? He is the one who should be doing the independent assessment.

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YTRes on Mar 27, 2017 at 6:58 am

Calm down everyone. This falls squarely into the shoulders of the design build team. Site conditions were known. This is confirmed in the like posted by Wolfe below. PCLs designed team acknowledged special measures would be needed. This should have been in their design. If it's not, and PCL messed up, they will have to make it right. Period.
Now in the past, the government has been loathe to go to the courts to ensure projects were completed properly, preferring to pay and pay again, we shall see if the the new government will hold PCL accountable.

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Nile on Mar 26, 2017 at 1:59 pm

The city also wouldn't let YG build it in any other location. The demanded that it be built in Whistle Bend

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Mandeep Sidhu on Mar 26, 2017 at 1:20 am

Called it ! This was brought up during the mayoral election. This isn't a "hindsight" is 20/20 matter.

Why isn't serious researched criticism being addressed prior to starting these projects?

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Stanley Miller on Mar 25, 2017 at 9:31 pm

Mayor and council wanted the facility built there. They strongly argued for it behind closed doors.
Why? It would make Whistle Bend more successful and increase the tax base and offer places where buses would run and be somewhat used.

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joe blow on Mar 25, 2017 at 5:57 pm

The independent engineer contracted by YG well before the project was tendered gave clear direction to potential problems, which were then ignored by YG and or PCL. Same engineer signed a report giving an alternate site, situated in the centre of Whitehorse, and his approval as suitable to build with absolutely no geo technical concerns at all. As in zero dollars in site prep vs the $10 million or more pissed away so far trying to make Whistlebend work. Zero dollar site prep vs the many millions already pissed away and the many more the engineers will see to fix the mistakes they made in giving advice to YG who should have the qualified staff to actually evaluate the subcontracted engineers rather than the rubber stamp we have seen for a great number of years.

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FORE on Mar 25, 2017 at 5:18 pm

Maybe we require a monthly Audit in the Yukon before the idiots that make these dumb decisions bankrupt us

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north-of-60 on Mar 25, 2017 at 4:00 pm

Wasteland Bend is rife with geotech problems. Much of it is unconsolidated fill which was brought in quietly to cover up the government planning department's disastrous mistake with the sewage lift station.

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Average Joe on Mar 25, 2017 at 1:38 pm

When did we start ignoring the seasons when building in the Yukon? These companies break ground in the fall and pour foundations in holes exposed to the fall weather causing water saturation, as frost is driven into the ground through the winter the saturated ground causes frost-jacking pushing things around. Unless you have the foundation done and the runoff redirected before winter frost-jacking is a real risk on any building site or to any home that has shallow foundations and improper drainage. I'm sure the simplest solutions will come after the ground has thawed and everything stops moving for the summer.

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Just Say'in on Mar 25, 2017 at 12:54 pm

The constant is the bureaucracy not the elected Government. Where are all the guys in our bloated bureaucracy when this is happening? Shameful. Heads should Roll.

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ProScience Greenie on Mar 25, 2017 at 11:25 am

Hundreds of thousands of dollars spent with so many highly paid and well educated professional people involved yet this problem still happened. Don't expect any accountability, it will be business as usually - excessive consultation, over-engineering, extra government hires, meetings about when the next meeting will be, long lunches, tons of travel etc etc. It is just plain sick that the Yukon and especially Whitehorse is nothing but a gravy train for the powers that be and their minions. Sure the YP has to own this one but it won't change whatever the flavor of YG happens to be. It is just the way thing are done in the Yukon. Can Sandy put a stop to this? Maybe but only if he uses a big hammer and is not afraid to swing it.

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Nile on Mar 25, 2017 at 10:35 am

Shifting ground isn't an issue if the foundation it made properly. This is PCLs problem when they pour concrete at -40 and it freezes instead of curing. So nice try to blame the Yukon party.

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Jonathan Colby on Mar 25, 2017 at 10:03 am

It's fine, everybody. Things are fine. Nothing to see here.

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Yukon Party would not listen to any one. on Mar 25, 2017 at 9:16 am

This is not the only problem with this building and other infrastructure. All parties have messed up managing infrastructure in the Yukon costing $100's of millions.

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June Jackson on Mar 25, 2017 at 1:12 am

They lost their majority, the sitting Premier did not get re relected.. no one in this City outside of the Paslowski government wanted the building there.. and the government did it anyway...think they learned anything? Government **sses away so much money, it wouldn't matter to me if they just stopped right now, put smaller extended care facilities in the communities, as well as Whitehorse and just walk away from this costly mistake... 150 beds without a resident Doctor.. although, those nurses in emerge are as good as any doctor..

For me.. this building played a large part in how i voted. While i no longer support the federal Liberals, locally, Sandy seems to be trying to pay attention..but, its early days..we'll see.

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Lost in the Yukon on Mar 25, 2017 at 1:00 am

Let's just add this to the Yukon Party's list of stellar projects they oversaw and managed - FH Collins, WCC, Community Hospitals.

At the end of the day one has to wonder how much tax payer money went down the crapper ... and no one is accountable.

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Jean Dacko on Mar 24, 2017 at 11:33 pm

The government never listens. What we really need is assisted living..where people can have their own apartments and come to a common area for meals. We do not require the same institutional living model.. a pod ..over and over again. I am also concerned that more people with disabilities are slated to go into this institutional model..and couples do not have enough their own separate living quarters..I am glad this happens ..maybe its time to reflect ...look at the trends across Canada, this is not one.

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YT Guy on Mar 24, 2017 at 10:29 pm

Once again the pitfalls of design build projects are well illuminated.
The lowest cost design won. The structural engineers are working for PCL.
PCL had the geo-tech report. They knew the score. Their design accounted for this, or was supposed to. Dawson City water treatment 2.0.
Hopefully YG will hold them accountable.

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Wolfe on Mar 24, 2017 at 8:57 pm

No problem, says geotech consultant.

Matt Kokan of GeoPacific Consultants, who's working with the contractor PCL Construction on the project, dismisses any concerns about the silt or clay on the site.
He acknowledges the need for "some special site preparation measures," but says otherwise, no problem.

"All the bidders put prices in to build it, and not one of them came back and said 'our engineers told us there would be issues building on this material.'
"If you don't like clay, stay out of the prairies. Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba — everything's built on clay."

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Wolfe on Mar 24, 2017 at 8:52 pm

Ok I found it.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/whistle-bend-facility-site-clay-engineer-1.3658472

So now what? That building is junk it will never be stable.
What a joke.

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Wolfe on Mar 24, 2017 at 8:45 pm

I was tring to find the media reports where questionsvwere raised about the ground stability. Does anyone have that link?

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PLG on Mar 24, 2017 at 6:01 pm

This was predicted! building on silt and clay & building in the winter on frozen ground.

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NUNYA on Mar 24, 2017 at 5:45 pm

Why do we always wait for winter for these kind of things !!! Of course the ground is shifting wait till spring and see what new problems there will be!! Just saying would never buy there!!!

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BnR on Mar 24, 2017 at 4:23 pm

Maybe we can rename it the Nixon Building? Or the Pasloski Center?
Maybe it could be sold to Canuck Tire as a storage building for excess stock.

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D Hardly on Mar 24, 2017 at 3:57 pm

And the list of problems (poor planning, inadequate geo tech) gets longer.

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Stanley Miller on Mar 24, 2017 at 3:54 pm

It seems the engineer who was saying it was a poor site location for this very reason was right.

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Lost in the Yukon on Mar 24, 2017 at 3:40 pm

Thank you Yukon Party ... too bad there is no way to hold them personally accountable. This was all predicted ... but ignored because of politics.

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